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Reply #30 - 3^rd Aug, 2014 at 6:36pm

From Paypal:

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We've completed our review and unfortunately are not able to decide this case in your favor.

During our review, we found that your seller had sufficiently described the merchandise.

Really?

It looks like the scammer wins (and I call him a scammer because he didn't deliver the goods and thus openly lied to PP to obviously protect his PP account). I see they were able to pull a fast one over on PP. I guess they would want to be fooled since it saves them money.

That does it. Release the karma hounds! Angry

That sours a nice sunny day

That and the fact that the stupid Canadian goverment has banned for importation certain supplements that are proven to work (which is probably why they are banned, they are bowing to the wishes of the pharmaceutical cartel).

Fortunately, after lots of leg work, I have found a Canadian supplier, but the quality of one of them is not as good

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SolidSnake Forum Administrator Offline I'm impossible to forget, but I'm hard to remember Posts: 3386 Center of the Universe Gender:	Re: PTCSolution - The New Age (The Disputes Age) Reply #31 - 4^th Aug, 2014 at 12:01am Now this is new... Normally PayPal has been covering such disputes.. Ok, if people lose PayPal's support as a scam protection.. well.. there's not much left in this industry.. These are really sad times...
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Re: PTCSolution - The New Age (The Disputes Age)
Reply #33 - 6^th Aug, 2014 at 5:48pm

Ok, guys.. This is a new age for scammers in the PTC industry!
We are no longer protected by PayPal anymore..:

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Unfortunately, we are denying your claim because your purchase was for a
virtual, digital, or intangible item, which is not covered under PayPal
Purchase Protection. We only cover claims involving physical items that
can be shipped and tracked.

We encourage you to work directly with your seller to resolve the problem.
You'll find their contact information on the Transaction Details page.

Yours sincerely,
PayPal

This must be one of the new terms they have recently emailed us for.
They used to cover such cases in the past.. Now scammers have taken the upper hand on this one.

I believe that if people find out about this, the upgrades sales would be vastly reduced.

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Reply #34 - 6^th Aug, 2014 at 6:29pm

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Aug, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Ok, guys.. This is a new age for scammers in the PTC industry!
We are no longer protected by PayPal anymore..:

This must be one of the new terms they have recently emailed us for.
They used to cover such cases in the past.. Now scammers have taken the upper hand on this one.

I believe that if people find out about this, the upgrades sales would be vastly reduced.

In the words of that great philosopher Popeye:

I shakes me head Roll Eyes

so paypal is no longer above egopay/payza any more. They are both just as risky.

I'm wondering if paying via credit card and then doing a chargeback would offer protection?

Knowing PP it will cost us our PP account

OK, forwarned is forearmed

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Reply #36 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 2:03pm

Rather than making the situation with PP worse than it has to be, which I personally think you'd be directing your energies incorrectly at that point, IMHO.

Just know or see a "when it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a duck" situation when it comes up.

Red flags kept coming up, yet you guys kept pouring more money into the program.

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Reply #37 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 5:54pm

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Rather than making the situation with PP worse than it has to be, which I personally think you'd be directing your energies incorrectly at that point, IMHO.

Just know or see a "when it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a duck" situation when it comes up.

Red flags kept coming up, yet you guys kept pouring more money into the program.

Well, there is not much you can do when someone openly lies to your face about what his plans are

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Reply #38 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 7:19pm

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Well, there is not much you can do when someone openly lies to your face about what his plans are

Exactly. That's why I'm saying to place the blame to where it belongs. And don't go overboard with PP now.

Sorry for my tone. Now we can pick up where we left off and proceed.

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Reply #39 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 8:52pm

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Exactly. That's why I'm saying to place the blame to where it belongs. And don't go overboard with PP now.

Sorry for my tone. Now we can pick up where we left off and proceed.

No, I'm done with PP. I'll only do what I need to with them. No favors.

I probably won't be spending much on advertising sites now anyway as I need to start working on promoting that app. That is going to take some funding.

you'll be glad to know I'll be focusing some advertising at CS and if it pays off I'll ramp that up. I think they lifted the restrictions on commission earning there didn't they? If so you should see some commissions

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SolidSnake Forum Administrator Offline I'm impossible to forget, but I'm hard to remember Posts: 3386 Center of the Universe Gender:	Re: PTCSolution - The New Age (The Disputes Age) Reply #40 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 9:28pm Well I'll keep on focusing more on my improving my own site, as it's the most profitable thing I've done on the net.. and actually the only one I can control.. Plus, I've just given an interview for a good job as a developer and that could prove to be the most profitable thing I've ever done..
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Reply #41 - 7^th Aug, 2014 at 11:13pm

SolidSnake wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Well I'll keep on focusing more on my improving my own site, as it's the most profitable thing I've done on the net.. and actually the only one I can control..

Plus, I've just given an interview for a good job as a developer and that could prove to be the most profitable thing I've ever done.. Grin

Break a leg on the job interview(or whatever they say for luck in job interviews). If you show that SSian belief and positive attitude you shouldn't have a problem. Of course if they get difficult, you could always go all metal gear on them. You have a choice Grin

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Reply #42 - 8^th Aug, 2014 at 3:59pm

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 8:52pm:

No, I'm done with PP. I'll only do what I need to with them. No favors.

Alright, do what you want. But by claiming "you're through with PP", you're absolving yourself from any responsibility (i.e. "it's all PP's fault", even blaming them for pressing the wrong button or something).

Even if you think that the "admin lied to your face", all the signs were there (i.e. even going down to the page's loading time) to indicate that, as constructively put, the program "sucked" to begin with. IMHO.

Sometime you have to ask yourself this "Am I letting my emotions get the best of me to the point that I could be impeding my own growth?".

One way or another, best of luck with your app and the programs you're currently a member of!

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