Ok, I decided to open a new thread as we hit a milestone on the program today with admin's new important update :


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Posted Today at 13:03 Dear users First of all I would like to say big thank you for all ideas you've shared with us on the latest topic. There are many ideas we can use in the future, some very valuable, some less. But in current position we need a rapid changes. So after many days doing calculations, comparing prons and cons I've decided to do: 1. All users with ROI 120% and above: - All pending cashouts are taken out of the system and from users account. We made a list of them. As soon as we get back on track and profit we will start clearing off this list. - All current account balances, purchase balances and rented referrals are zeroed. - All premium membership are zeroed. - All direct referrals and rented referrals are kept - We want to give a change all ex-premiums to keep their RR so we are holding removing RR over the limit (according to the membership) for a week. We are aware that it was very unpopular and not expected move. Unfortunately we have to do so in terms to survive. I would like to add that ROI was calculated only on PAID WITHDRAWAL against DEPOSITS. So it's very fair from user point of view. We didn't take in consideration for example how much ads were bought with money made on the site. Basicaly, every user from that group made a REAL PROFIT on PTCSolution.com and that profit was PAID. 2. All users with ROI 100%-119%: - All pending cashouts are transferred to Purchase Balance - All account balances are transferred to Purchase Balance - Premium membership, RR and DR are kept. 3. All users with ROI less than 100%: - No any changes on the account. We know that this will make a lot of people unhappy and leaving site. We are hoping that most of users from group 1 and 2 will understand that this action had to be taken if we ever want to get PTCSolution.com back on track. We are also very strict about inactivity policy which we didn't use for a long time and letting people come back to the site with the same state of account they left it. It won't happen anymore. Also in order to build up a new deposits we don't allow to purchase Upgrades with purchase balance. This will be in place at least until we won't clear all current pending withdraws. We apologize for such a rapid moves but please keep in mind that ALL users affected by those changes already made REAL profit and they got PAID. We hope for your understanding and your further co-operation. Let's make PTCSolution.com rock again.

And here is the link to the thread in their forum..!

IMO, it seems a rather smart decision.. think about it..

Firstly it only affects people that have made 120+% and 100+% ROI so nobody has actually ended up in a loss..

Also, those big guys normally have the ability to invest more to keep on earning more there so they will most likely invest some more that could be used to help the cashouts of the little guys that haven't got their investments back yet..

Reminds me of this specific verse in this song.. : Video

What do you think?

PS. MM you need to say sth here.. lol
Read the last 2 lines in my post..

It's easy for me to speak, since I'm not on that list, but I believe that is a fair solution. After all, nobody actually loses from having invested there. For people who also advertise it's even better, as the total deposit count is higher if you buy advertising there. And if that advertising has yielded good results for your other sites, even better.

SolidSnake wrote on 22^nd Jul, 2014 at 12:37am:

IMO, it seems a rather smart decision.. think about it.. Firstly it only affects people that have made 120+% and 100+% ROI so nobody has actually ended up in a loss.. Also, those big guys normally have the ability to invest more to keep on earning more there so they will most likely invest some more that could be used to help the cashouts of the little guys that haven't got their investments back yet.. Reminds me of this specific verse in this song.. : Video What do you think? PS. MM you need to say sth here.. lol Read the last 2 lines in my post..

Well....I tried  :dontknow

I was at a loss for words (for once  ;D)

And what is it about this board. I'm using FF and I keep logging in 'for keeps' apparently but when I come back here I'm logged out again

moneymarketing wrote on 22^nd Jul, 2014 at 6:58pm:

Well....I tried  :dontknow I was at a loss for words (for once  ;D) And what is it about this board. I'm using FF and I keep logging in 'for keeps' apparently but when I come back here I'm logged out again

Hmm.. it happens to me but only when I change IP or device..
If I log in from my tablet my computer needs that "Update Session" to get back fully functional.

That New Age was rather short.....

I was browsing around, checking my referrals over there. All of a sudden, I click a link and BAM! NetAdSolution is closing down....

:dontknow

Oh, well. There goes my investment down the drain. Didn't recover 1 cent of it....

ruicarlov wrote on 24^th Jul, 2014 at 5:41pm:

That New Age was rather short..... I was browsing around, checking my referrals over there. All of a sudden, I click a link and BAM! NetAdSolution is closing down.... :dontknow Oh, well. There goes my investment down the drain. Didn't recover 1 cent of it....

I hope all those 120%ers are happy now. Now they are guaranteed to get nothing. I see clixters is gone too. What a shame

I don't think this has to do with the 120%s. There was simply no flow of investors there, and the hard times and payment delays had dealt quite a blow to the site's image.
It's probably what PTCbox's admin realized when sh*t went down with Paypal.

PTCSolution's admin has posted on EMS
http://www.emoneyspace.com/forum/index.php/topic,342757.0.html

At least I have finally figured out where I'm going to put my investment dollars. PTCS made my choice for me. Their loss is YGP's gain  ;D

Hey everyone.. looks like we can't save anyone these days..  [smiley=lolx.gif]
After having a nice discussion with Wiktor today, I feel not so bad at all.. weird but true..

It looks like there was no way back after all.. He kept on trying until the end but it was kinda impossible to get back on track.
After PayPal was recovered the lack of investors became larger and larger, just like the debt until it crossed 200k dollars..
The changes also didn't get accepted well and the site could not survive without them..
So he had no other choice but to sell the site or close it.

I told him what's coming now and that he should withdraw anything from his PayPal account if he hasn't already and he told me that this was not an issue.. since he used anything to pay the members even through the latest membership sales.. that was actually kinda heroic if he knew the site would go off.. This way he could pay more members while the people that invested recently can get their money back through disputes.

Then I suggested that he should remove any sensitive data from PayPal like credit cards or bank accounts and he told me that David was responsible for PayPal and he already has.. so.. we are now entering the disputes road.. and it's time for PayPal has to pay...


moneymarketing wrote on 24^th Jul, 2014 at 5:57pm:

I hope all those 120%ers are happy now. Now they are guaranteed to get nothing. I see clixters is gone too. What a shame

It sucks a bit because these two guys (Wiktor and David) were actually good men but were treated like scammers after the PayPal event.. It deserved a lot of courage to stand and fight for 7 months at such a state.. And it also sucks even more because I was beginning to get a lot of active referrals especially on clixters.. pff..

Ok, dispute time.. at first I felt bad to open a dispute but now that I know that the only one I will hurt is PayPal.... wth? Let's go for it! :D

ruicarlov wrote on 24^th Jul, 2014 at 5:41pm:

That New Age was rather short..... I was browsing around, checking my referrals over there. All of a sudden, I click a link and BAM! NetAdSolution is closing down.... :dontknow Oh, well. There goes my investment down the drain. Didn't recover 1 cent of it....

So it was YOUR click that I heard before the BOOM! Of course! That makes perfect sense..  ::) [smiley=lolx.gif]

Ok, so did you make any purchases there over the last 45 days..?
If yes you may be lucky.. I've already opened 2 disputes summing ~$80..
It would feel like a nice summer bonus if I get them back..

Normally it should happen just like those other times... only some time must pass before that happens.. As I can see in the dispute email, I can escalate the dispute to a claim after August 14th. Then it should take a couple of days before PayPal decides on our favor. Let's see...

SolidSnake wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 2:07am:

So it was YOUR click that I heard before the BOOM! Of course! That makes perfect sense..  ::) [smiley=lolx.gif] Ok, so did you make any purchases there over the last 45 days..? If yes you may be lucky.. I've already opened 2 disputes summing ~$80.. It would feel like a nice summer bonus if I get them back.. Normally it should happen just like those other times... only some time must pass before that happens.. As I can see in the dispute email, I can escalate the dispute to a claim after August 14th. Then it should take a couple of days before PayPal decides on our favor. Let's see...

I also put in a dispute for that $26 I put in, the first money I've put in in a year. I normally wouldn't have, all other things being equal, but the way it ended, I am not too happy about that. It all just seems too dishonest. He was sitting there telling us one thing while he was clearly planning to do something else behind our backs.

I'm wondering if he was doing all that to buy time? If so, then we should at least get his paypal account limited in order to keep him from pulling that type of thing with a new site. Creating as many roadblocks for him as possible in case he was being dishonest is fair payback for the way it ended. Until then, I'm sure he had the goodwill of many

SolidSnake wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 1:45am:

Hey everyone.. looks like we can't save anyone these days..  [smiley=lolx.gif] After having a nice discussion with Wiktor today, I feel not so bad at all.. weird but true.. It looks like there was no way back after all.. He kept on trying until the end but it was kinda impossible to get back on track. After PayPal was recovered the lack of investors became larger and larger, just like the debt until it crossed 200k dollars.. The changes also didn't get accepted well and the site could not survive without them.. So he had no other choice but to sell the site or close it. I told him what's coming now and that he should withdraw anything from his PayPal account if he hasn't already and he told me that this was not an issue.. since he used anything to pay the members even through the latest membership sales.. that was actually kinda heroic if he knew the site would go off.. This way he could pay more members while the people that invested recently can get their money back through disputes. Then I suggested that he should remove any sensitive data from PayPal like credit cards or bank accounts and he told me that David was responsible for PayPal and he already has.. so.. we are now entering the disputes road.. and it's time for PayPal has to pay... It sucks a bit because these two guys (Wiktor and David) were actually good men but were treated like scammers after the PayPal event.. It deserved a lot of courage to stand and fight for 7 months at such a state.. And it also sucks even more because I was beginning to get a lot of active referrals especially on clixters.. pff.. Ok, dispute time.. at first I felt bad to open a dispute but now that I know that the only one I will hurt is PayPal.... wth? Let's go for it! :D

I posted my last comment before reading this. Hmmmm, I just don't know what to think but will paypal be responsible for the money he can't pay back? No wonder they are so difficult towards the PTC industry if so. We are digging our own graves

Well, there was not much stuff left for him to do, he was trying everything to make the site survive..
There are things that one admin cannot share publicly.. he was trying to find investors.. if he let people know that the debt crossed 200k nobody would decide to invest there.. plus he spent everything to pay members.. It's a bit hard to control one's thoughts in a situation like that..

As for PayPal, didn't they start all of this in the first place?

It's obvious now that what they are doing is completely wrong..The number 1 dying reason for the latest PTC sites is that PayPal messes them up.. Before a couple of years, there were admins with no experience or plans that ran completely unstable sites destined to die.. but nowadays this is different. Some people are actually trying to do sth good.. PayPal needs to understand that they can make a lot of money if they actually support this industry, instead of ruining it whenever something turns out to be successful..

You can't just freeze a business for a whole month to review it and figure out if what they are doing is fully legal or against their T.o.S... They should be able to do that while the business runs healthily.. without forcing it out of the road.. This industry cannot afford pauses.. If only payment processors got a bit more advanced so that some stronger competition would act as an alternative to the PayPal assassins.. that would help this whole industry to go one step further..

But what can we do...  :-/

SolidSnake wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 2:07am:

So it was YOUR click that I heard before the BOOM! Of course! That makes perfect sense..  ::) [smiley=lolx.gif] Ok, so did you make any purchases there over the last 45 days..? If yes you may be lucky.. I've already opened 2 disputes summing ~$80.. It would feel like a nice summer bonus if I get them back.. Normally it should happen just like those other times... only some time must pass before that happens.. As I can see in the dispute email, I can escalate the dispute to a claim after August 14th. Then it should take a couple of days before PayPal decides on our favor. Let's see...

No, my investment goes way back. All the way to December. I invested $500 for the pack with membership + 1000 RR and another $300 for the shares they had at the time. Then Paypal limited the account, the share balance went to the main balance, but I've never been able to get anything back, even though my payment request was up for God knows how long.

ruicarlov wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 12:27pm:

No, my investment goes way back. All the way to December. I invested $500 for the pack with membership + 1000 RR and another $300 for the shares they had at the time. Then Paypal limited the account, the share balance went to the main balance, but I've never been able to get anything back, even though my payment request was up for God knows how long.

Ugly stuff.. sorry man. But I think you'll probably cover the expense through other sites' profits.. I realize though that it's becoming more and more difficult these days..

Last April, when Neobux celebrated its 6th birthday, Fernando wrote this on his post


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It was 6 years ago today that NeoBux went officially live. From the start we completely changed what PTC was by turning it into what you all know today. During all these years we set new standards on how a PTC should work and how being selfless and honest is the only way to achieve the position we have today. 6 years have passed and we're still waiting for someone (even if just one) can follow our steps and help us make this world a better place.

Back then I thought he was exagerating a bit. But I've come to realize that he's not that far from the truth. There's nothing quite like neobux in terms of membercount, cashflow, problem-free PTC websites. There are a couple of other long-standing sites (like Clixsense and the like), but where big earnings are quite difficult to achieve. The ones that show some good earning potential end up going kaput (PTCbox, PTCSolution), loose their interest (Refban) or have some problems going on every now and then (Goldenclix, Twickerz).
The more I learn about the PTCworld, the more I appreciate Fernando for what he has managed to build. That's definitely not an easy feat.

ruicarlov wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 4:41pm:

Last April, when Neobux celebrated its 6th birthday, Fernando wrote this on his post Back then I thought he was exagerating a bit. But I've come to realize that he's not that far from the truth. There's nothing quite like neobux in terms of membercount, cashflow, problem-free PTC websites. There are a couple of other long-standing sites (like Clixsense and the like), but where big earnings are quite difficult to achieve. The ones that show some good earning potential end up going kaput (PTCbox, PTCSolution), loose their interest (Refban) or have some problems going on every now and then (Goldenclix, Twickerz). The more I learn about the PTCworld, the more I appreciate Fernando for what he has managed to build. That's definitely not an easy feat.

I still haven't figured out how to make money at his site. It seems I'm forever spending my earnings on pushing my referrals forward. They seem to have the plantation mentality at that site (we do all the work, they make all the money)

moneymarketing wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 5:51pm:

I still haven't figured out how to make money at his site. It seems I'm forever spending my earnings on pushing my referrals forward. They seem to have the plantation mentality at that site (we do all the work, they make all the money)

Well, I can only speak as an Ultimate member. Making money at 2000 and above referrals is not hard, even if it's not a whole lot of money considering the amount invested. There are a couple of sweet spots for Golden Members, at 500 and 750 referrals. Earnings are rather slow for standard members, but they are profitable, which is more than you can say for many PTC sites.

ruicarlov wrote on 25^th Jul, 2014 at 7:22pm:

Well, I can only speak as an Ultimate member. Making money at 2000 and above referrals is not hard, even if it's not a whole lot of money considering the amount invested. There are a couple of sweet spots for Golden Members, at 500 and 750 referrals. Earnings are rather slow for standard members, but they are profitable, which is more than you can say for many PTC sites.

I have 465rrs with a golden membership and it is all I can do to keep them going. I suppose it comes down to a management strategy but you should have to have a perfect management strategy to prosper on the site. They will lose more people than they keep that way.

I`m not a stupid guy (though many might argue that :)) that way and if I have a difficult time at it I can imagine how many people would throw their hands up trying to figure it out

Notice from Paypal:


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We are in the process of investigating the following claim: Seller's Name: Netadsolution.com LLC The seller has submitted an explanation describing the disagreement with this claim. We will evaluate all available information including the original listing, and both seller and buyer statements. A final decision will be made on this claim per our User Agreement. We will notify you if further action is required.

Disagreement with the claim? I hope this is just the way the mail is worded since he can't really disagree with my statement that I bought rented referrals and they shut the site down

Maybe they just didn't expect someone to escalate so quickly  >:(

moneymarketing wrote on 26^th Jul, 2014 at 6:15pm:

Notice from Paypal: Disagreement with the claim? I hope this is just the way the mail is worded since he can't really disagree with my statement that I bought rented referrals and they shut the site down Maybe they just didn't expect someone to escalate so quickly  >:(

What did you type in the dispute text?

What I did with mine is this :

1) I purchased upgraded membership for one year but the site has been shut down so I cannot get what I paid for.
2) I purchased advertising which will not be delivered because the site has been shut down.

In both cases I demand a full refund since I cannot be delivered what I paid for.. it makes sense I think.
I'll keep you up to date in case I receive such an email as well.

SolidSnake wrote on 27^th Jul, 2014 at 1:18am:

What did you type in the dispute text? What I did with mine is this : 1) I purchased upgraded membership for one year but the site has been shut down so I cannot get what I paid for. 2) I purchased advertising which will not be delivered because the site has been shut down. In both cases I demand a full refund since I cannot be delivered what I paid for.. it makes sense I think. I'll keep you up to date in case I receive such an email as well.

I think it has to be within 45 days of your purchase. Even if you paid for an one year upgrade and didn't get a chance to use all of it. When did you purchase your advertising?

SolidSnake wrote on 27^th Jul, 2014 at 1:18am:

What did you type in the dispute text? What I did with mine is this : 1) I purchased upgraded membership for one year but the site has been shut down so I cannot get what I paid for. 2) I purchased advertising which will not be delivered because the site has been shut down. In both cases I demand a full refund since I cannot be delivered what I paid for.. it makes sense I think. I'll keep you up to date in case I receive such an email as well.

I said I paid $26 to rent referrals from the site but since the site is shut down I obviously can't earn any income from them

moneymarketing wrote on 27^th Jul, 2014 at 6:17pm:

I said I paid $26 to rent referrals from the site but since the site is shut down I obviously can't earn any income from them

Well, I think being generic in such cases might make things easier for PayPal to decide..
Maybe you should simply say that you purchased services from them that were not delivered since the site got closed down.

We don't have to make PayPal look deep into how the site worked before it switched off..

@Dan
I am within the 45 days period so I am eligible for a dispute, and I've already opened 2 that are currently open for the seller to negotiate.
Once the negotiation period is over, I can escalate the disputes to claims and PayPal will have to decide what will happen.

Normally PayPal decides on the buyers favor especially if the seller does not reply at all.

With all these sites imploding, I'm seeing a pickup in my CS income. No idea if this will be sustainable but we could see more advertising shifted in that direction. I wouldn't mind that at all

Today I've escalated both my disputes to a claim stating that the site has already been shut down and therefore I will not be able to receive what I've ordered :

Case 1 : Advertising purchased
Case 2 : Upgraded membership for a year

Plus I added that the seller has not replied for 6 days after I opened the dispute and therefore I do not believe that we will reach an amicable solution.. So now the seller has now 10 days to respond and then PayPal will have to decide.. Crossing fingers..

MM please let me know if you had any update with your dispute..

SolidSnake wrote on 31^st Jul, 2014 at 11:39am:

Today I've escalated both my disputes to a claim stating that the site has already been shut down and therefore I will not be able to receive what I've ordered : Case 1 : Advertising purchased Case 2 : Upgraded membership for a year Plus I added that the seller has not replied for 6 days after I opened the dispute and therefore I do not believe that we will reach an amicable solution.. So now the seller has now 10 days to respond and then PayPal will have to decide.. Crossing fingers.. MM please let me know if you had any update with your dispute..

Nothing yet....will let you know if things change

I have received an update from PayPal but I'm kinda confused as of what they actually mean and what I am supposed to do...

I've received the following message through email from PayPal for both my disputes :


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The seller responded to our request for shipment tracking information. We still need to investigate and confirm this information, but we wanted to share the seller's response with you: Tracking Company: Other Tracking Number: Download Complete No further action on your part is required at this time. We will continue our investigation, and contact you with any updates. If you received your item, you can cancel your claim. To do so, copy the link below and paste it in a web browser window.  Please follow the instructions when the web page appears.

Based on this I supposed that I can only wait for a further update.
However when I log in to my PayPal account I read the message that the disputes are on the stage where my own action is required, and when I open them for more details I read this :


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Status The seller has responded to our request for tracking information. We haven’t confirmed the tracking information yet but wanted to share it with you. Item delivered online tracking # Download Complete What happens next Please review the information and let us know how you would like to proceed. If you've resolved this problem, you can cancel this claim at any time. If you received the item but it's not as described by the seller, you can change the reason for your claim.

So, what am I supposed to do now?  [smiley=07-whaat.gif]
I'm confused..

SolidSnake wrote on 31^st Jul, 2014 at 8:28pm:

I have received an update from PayPal but I'm kinda confused as of what they actually mean and what I am supposed to do... I've received the following message through email from PayPal for both my disputes : Based on this I supposed that I can only wait for a further update. However when I log in to my PayPal account I read the message that the disputes are on the stage where my own action is required, and when I open them for more details I read this : So, what am I supposed to do now?  [smiley=07-whaat.gif] I'm confused..

Yes, that is odd. It is also odd that he would require tracking info. Is he playing games with them or is he playing games with you. Advertising is not a tangible good that would require physical delivery. I doubt they are referring to the reference number because that should be included in the claim

So if he is asking for tracking info, then I suspect that he is just trying to give the run around and is looking shadier by the day. I suspect he is not too happy to realize that he is about to lose his paypal account. If he was planning to take some money and run, it is going to cost him his paypal. That is fair since the site misled us up to the end. This person no longer deserves the privilege of being an online merchant. Who is to say he won't do this again with a new site and persona

From Paypal:


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We've completed our review and unfortunately are not able to decide this case in your favor. During our review, we found that your seller had sufficiently described the merchandise.

Really?  >:(

It looks like the scammer wins (and I call him a scammer because he didn't deliver the goods and thus openly lied to PP to obviously protect his PP account). I see they were able to pull a fast one over on PP. I guess they would want to be fooled since it saves them money.

That does it. Release the karma hounds!  >:( >:( >:(

That sours a nice sunny day

That and the fact that the stupid Canadian goverment has banned for importation certain supplements that are proven to work (which is probably why they are banned, they are bowing to the wishes of the pharmaceutical cartel).

Fortunately, after lots of leg work, I have found a Canadian supplier, but the quality of one of them is not as good

Now this is new...

Normally PayPal has been covering such disputes..
Ok, if people lose PayPal's support as a scam protection.. well.. there's not much left in this industry..

These are really sad times...

It is going to cost paypal. Any time I get the choice between using my credit card on a retail site and PP I will use the CC. I was using them as a middle man just to protect my CC identity but those days are past

Ok, guys.. This is a new age for scammers in the PTC industry!
We are no longer protected by PayPal anymore..:


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Unfortunately, we are denying your claim because your purchase was for a virtual, digital, or intangible item, which is not covered under PayPal Purchase Protection.  We only cover claims involving physical items that can be shipped and tracked. We encourage you to work directly with your seller to resolve the problem. You'll find their contact information on the Transaction Details page. Yours sincerely, PayPal

This must be one of the new terms they have recently emailed us for.
They used to cover such cases in the past.. Now scammers have taken the upper hand on this one.

I believe that if people find out about this, the upgrades sales would be vastly reduced.

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Aug, 2014 at 5:48pm:

Ok, guys.. This is a new age for scammers in the PTC industry! We are no longer protected by PayPal anymore..: This must be one of the new terms they have recently emailed us for. They used to cover such cases in the past.. Now scammers have taken the upper hand on this one. I believe that if people find out about this, the upgrades sales would be vastly reduced.

In the words of that great philosopher Popeye:

I shakes me head  ::) :-[ [smiley=sad.gif] :-/ :'(

so paypal is no longer above egopay/payza any more. They are both just as risky.

I'm wondering if paying via credit card and then doing a chargeback would offer protection?

Knowing PP it will cost us our PP account

OK, forwarned is forearmed

You know, I didn't say anything for a long time. But after reading many posts, here's my 2 cents.

Pointing fingers at PP? How about placing the blame on where it belongs, that is on the PTCS program itself?

Didn't I tell you guys to "let the program go" a while ago? ;)

Rather than making the situation with PP worse than it has to be, which I personally think you'd be directing your energies incorrectly at that point, IMHO.

Just know or see a "when it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a duck" situation when it comes up.

Red flags kept coming up, yet you guys kept pouring more money into the program.

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 2:03pm:

Rather than making the situation with PP worse than it has to be, which I personally think you'd be directing your energies incorrectly at that point, IMHO. Just know or see a "when it quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a duck" situation when it comes up. Red flags kept coming up, yet you guys kept pouring more money into the program.

Well, there is not much you can do when someone openly lies to your face about what his plans are

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 5:54pm:

Well, there is not much you can do when someone openly lies to your face about what his plans are

Exactly. That's why I'm saying to place the blame to where it belongs. And don't go overboard with PP now.

Sorry for my tone. Now we can pick up where we left off and proceed.

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 7:19pm:

Exactly. That's why I'm saying to place the blame to where it belongs. And don't go overboard with PP now. Sorry for my tone. Now we can pick up where we left off and proceed.

No, I'm done with PP. I'll only do what I need to with them. No favors.

I probably won't be spending much on advertising sites now anyway as I need to start working on promoting that app. That is going to take some funding.

you'll be glad to know I'll be focusing some advertising at CS and if it pays off I'll ramp that up. I think they lifted the restrictions on commission earning there didn't they? If so you should see some commissions

Well I'll keep on focusing more on my improving my own site, as it's the most profitable thing I've done on the net.. and actually the only one I can control..

Plus, I've just given an interview for a good job as a developer and that could prove to be the most profitable thing I've ever done.. ;D

SolidSnake wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 9:28pm:

Well I'll keep on focusing more on my improving my own site, as it's the most profitable thing I've done on the net.. and actually the only one I can control.. Plus, I've just given an interview for a good job as a developer and that could prove to be the most profitable thing I've ever done.. ;D

Break a leg on the job interview(or whatever they say for luck in job interviews). If you show that SSian belief and positive attitude you shouldn't have a problem. Of course if they get difficult, you could always go all metal gear on them.  You have a choice  ;D

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Aug, 2014 at 8:52pm:

No, I'm done with PP. I'll only do what I need to with them. No favors.

Alright, do what you want. But by claiming "you're through with PP", you're absolving yourself from any responsibility (i.e. "it's all PP's fault", even blaming them for pressing the wrong button or something).

Even if you think that the "admin lied to your face", all the signs were there (i.e. even going down to the page's loading time) to indicate that, as constructively put, the program "sucked" to begin with. IMHO.

Sometime you have to ask yourself this "Am I letting my emotions get the best of me to the point that I could be impeding my own growth?".

One way or another, best of luck with your app and the programs you're currently a member of!