Well, I can share my experience with CashInOnBanners.. at first I found it interesting enough
and decided to work on it. Quoting the how it works instructions for readers that might not know it :

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So I upgraded my account almost immediately after joining and started promoting it.
My payment went to some 2up-upline that I don't really know.. (at least I made someone happy  )

Then after some time of promoting I've got 19 referrals in my 1st tier but no upgrades at all..
I benefited from the traffic but none of them stayed active nor upgraded, and I didn't get any
leads from that traffic as well. So I'm kinda disappointed by it and I now prefer to work on
programs where it's simpler to earn or benefit from traffic, from our direct referrals and more
downline levels if available. BoB is a good example of that type.

venkat wrote on 9^th Nov, 2013 at 8:42am:


I think any program is good if it is fair, has a good price and offers a good product. I tried AIOP myself and was able to get some referrals to it myself. The problem is that, even at $10 per month, not a lot of people in the PTC industry can spend that type of money, so you need to send a lot of traffic to it in order to get your people. I wasn't committed to that at this point because my traffic is comitted to maintaining and building the traffic base I currently have.

CIOB is also a great program and, once you build your base of referrals the right way, then you have a perpetual referral growth machine under you. Mine is sort of that way but being a life time upgrade, it doesn't matter because I am getting a constant stream of free banners anyway.

The difference between CIOB, BoB and AIOP is that in AIOP you must be paid up to be in the program. This has always been a weak point for programs like that. Sites need to find a way to keep free members in the site in order for them to go out and do that advertising it takes to find the paid members. BoB and CIOB do that, in my opinion.

Where these all are great ideas is that they pay wide and the pay deep. The paying deep is where you can build a legacy income or ad base(upon which you can build an income). I call them perpetual growth machines because once they are built, they just keep growing and compounding until you can't help but to get rich off them. The pennies per day you earn turn into dollars and then thousands of dollars.

I estimate that you only need to build a referral base of 1000 members(of strangers, not of friends like we do with some of these programs) first level and then the thing will take on a life of its own. A good example clixsense. I have 838 members first level(though, due to the site kicking inactive member I'd probably have more than 2000). Those 838 members have built a team that has now reached down to the fifth level and is growing daily. That is going to keep happening until I am gone (assuming the site stays alive)

That is the the benefit of sites like this and BoB is no different. Thanks to Dan's work at the site, My team is already built down to four levels. If I were to put a little more effort into it, then getting to the 1000 first level member goal would not be a problem and my traffic would take off 

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Nov, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Yes, we learned from experience a while ago that programs that only accept paid members are difficult to succeed with. "Finding a way to keep free members in", taking that to the next level, a program should accept free members to begin with.

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Nov, 2013 at 6:04pm:


It is funny how so many owners preach about 'building their mailing list'  and yet few of them realize that the free members are their mailing list. And many businesses will talk about how it is easier and cheaper to upsell an existing customer than to go out and find a new one. These free members are the potential upsell. Marketing studies have shown that someone needs to be marketed up to 8 times before a sale is made. What a better way to market than to sell to captive free members that are already on your mailing list

SolidSnake wrote on 9^th Nov, 2013 at 11:10pm:


No, it was not that refban was paid only. The benefit to us at refban was the ten levels. That is where you can make the big money and where you get the perpetual motion



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I agree completely, but it can't be all pay only. Paid members pay the bills as we say but it is usually the free members that drive the traffic. You need a mix of both and both have their purposes. Getting the mix right is the difference between success and failure. If you charge too much, then you won't get enough paid members. If you charge too little then the site goes broke even as the free members flood into your site.

And I'm not saying paid only sites can't do well, they can, but most of them charge so much for people to get in that they set too high a threshold for the regular PTC and internet marketing community. At the rates that many charge, they can't create a member base quick enough to offset the quitters. The problem with many of the paid sites is that they don't give a return on investment fast enough to cover both membership fees and the cost to advertise for more members

venkat wrote on 10^th Nov, 2013 at 11:35am:

I think it's not so much that they don't "make a better impression". It's just that many members are just reluctant to join a paid only program and would rather join for free and all. And that some of the free members would also rather analyze the program first and then determine if they'd like to upgrade or not. Rather than be forced to pay it all when joining.

moneymarketing wrote on 10^th Nov, 2013 at 4:48pm:

First, keep in mind that one could still join Refban as a free member. Secondly, you keep bringing up Refban as an example, I personally think what happened with PTCBox was alot worse. And that the potential to make alot of $$$ was really there with PTCBox and I never really quite saw the same thing with Refban. IMHO.

Secondly, don't blame it all on the owners. Some of it is also on the members. Some of them act like it's a BIG deal just to spend $5 bucks. We have seen that in some of the programs, even some of the established ones. They are the ones that are willing to do tons of clicks just to cash out a couple of bucks and they are the ones that make a big deal of those "I JUST GOT PAID $2 DOLLARS!" payments and all.