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I've just checked the site it seems well established but provides not much info..

Then read about it, in the downline builder, and I've got a few questions on it.

It's rather interesting because we could use extra earnings from our shares' credits. :)

Since I also read about the misunderstanding, I assume Dan and MM joined separately and not under each other but Dan was the one to bring the site up first?  :-/

Well, then I could probably join under Dan on this one..
Or maybe better, if Rui decides to use it, he can join under Dan and then I could follow Rui's line..

I already benefit MM on YGP and Rui is already benefiting me in FC, so if Rui could benefit Dan then I could benefit Rui so that we all get a share of benefits.  :idea

..Now on the site itself.. I couldn't figure out their standards for a "Valid" visit.. what does it mean? Since they accept repeated visitors what visits are considered invalid?

And regarding the daily limit of $0.16.. does that include referral earnings or just personal surfing.. or PTP earnings too?

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am:

I've just checked the site it seems well established but provides not much info.. Then read about it, in the downline builder, and I've got a few questions on it. It's rather interesting because we could use extra earnings from our shares' credits. :) Since I also read about the misunderstanding, I assume Dan and MM joined separately and not under each other but Dan was the one to bring the site up first?  :-/ Well, then I could probably join under Dan on this one.. Or maybe better, if Rui decides to use it, he can join under Dan and then I could follow Rui's line.. I already benefit MM on YGP and Rui is already benefiting me in FC, so if Rui could benefit Dan then I could benefit Rui so that we all get a share of benefits.  :idea ..Now on the site itself.. I couldn't figure out their standards for a "Valid" visit.. what does it mean? Since they accept repeated visitors what visits are considered invalid? And regarding the daily limit of $0.16.. does that include referral earnings or just personal surfing.. or PTP earnings too?

I joined under Dan but I didn't think it was going anywhere. At first glance it didn't seem significant but I got good enough results that I felt it was worth the front page

Here are the terms. Minimum 4 second view

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/terms

They also have pretty good ad rates

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 1:05am:

I joined under Dan but I didn't think it was going anywhere. At first glance it didn't seem significant but I got good enough results that I felt it was worth the front page Here are the terms. Minimum 4 second view https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/terms They also have pretty good ad rates

It looks nice IMO.. I'm in..

Let's see what Rui will say about it. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 1:31am:

It looks nice IMO.. I'm in.. Let's see what Rui will say about it. :)

So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 1:37am:

So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

Why would he be mad at you if you're in his downline?  :-?

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 1:37am:

So Dan is going to be mad at me for calling him out but he also gets you or Rui as a downline so I think that is fair

I know you meant well. But I actually think you're making the issue a little bigger than it has to be. JMHO.

Alright. Next time I find a new program to my liking, I'll try to abide by this rule.

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 1:32pm:

Why would he be mad at you if you're in his downline?  :-?

It's only one referral level anyway. Indirectly I'm glad if my downline gets a stronger downline, cause I get to benefit from it anyway. Even my original thought was "I wouldn't want to take SS or rui away from mm's downline".

Seems an okay site. 0.24 per 1000 hits is nothing noteworthy (In Donkeymails is higher), but if the unique view is independent of the country tier it's a good deal. Now the question if how well it works in terms of hits delivered vs hits sent. Cashnhits was really good at that, and I've yet to see another site where PTP worked so well. Let's see how this one fares.

So, who do I have to join under? Dan, MM, Snake or your cat? I'm kinda lost on all this downline thing now  ;D

ruicarlov wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 2:45pm:

So, who do I have to join under? Dan, MM, Snake or your cat? I'm kinda lost on all this downline thing now  ;D

If Snake joined under MM, then you can join under Snake. Although let him verify it first to make sure.

ruicarlov wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Seems an okay site. 0.24 per 1000 hits is nothing noteworthy (In Donkeymails is higher), but if the unique view is independent of the country tier it's a good deal. Now the question if how well it works in terms of hits delivered vs hits sent.

One thing you can do is promote Rotate4All in programs that does not accept Donkeymails. FamilyClix is a good example. They even also pay about $0.05 per 200 hits to the Rotate4all's PTP link which seems to be the best rate I've come across thus far.

dansbanners wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 3:16pm:

If Snake joined under MM, then you can join under Snake. Although let him verify it first to make sure.

I haven't joined yet..

I'd like to join under Rui on this one.. so one of you gets him instead.

He's a better deal than me anyways, with better advertising [super]power.. ;)

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 3:46pm:

I haven't joined yet.. I'd like to join under Rui on this one.. so one of you gets him instead. He's a better deal than me anyways, with better advertising [super]power.. ;)

Rui is there under me.

You can find the referral link like ours in the referral section. You need to trim it out of the banner code. I assume your PTP page will work though

Thanks for joining  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Sep, 2017 at 6:03pm:

Rui is there under me. You can find the referral link like ours in the referral section. You need to trim it out of the banner code. I assume your PTP page will work though Thanks for joining  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I got in under Rui. :)

The first test I ran was a simple surfing session.
I used my secondary display for it, so I did it while working on my main one on sth else.

I surfed a total of 40 sites and received $0.0064 in my balance which means I get $0.00016 per site surfed just like mentioned in the dashboard.

Their captchas are relatively easy to complete while surfing, except for the first two times that use Google re-Captcha probably for increased security when starting a session.

I will probably run some PTC tests on YGP and FC to see if they deliver actual valid hits.

SolidSnake wrote on 20^th Sep, 2017 at 9:32am:

I will probably run some PTC tests on YGP and FC to see if they deliver actual valid hits.

I suggest that you do a separate test run. Try it on FC first and check the stats. Then try it on YGP. And that assigning just 200 PTC credits each should be enough for the test run.

My experience tells me that it pays about $0.05 per 200 clicks in FC but only about $0.01 to $0.02 per 200 in YGP.   

Right now I'm trying in mfs, using some of my free advertising. I'll see how it goes

So far MFS has delivered 37 clicks. On rotate4all I get 31 hits, 23 unique and 8 invalid.

But there appears to be some bug in my stats page, since it shows 0$ earned. Furthermore, it also shows referral earnings as $0. But my balance has been increasing and in the downline page I can see that snake has earned me something by website surfing.

Is it showing correctly for any of you?

ruicarlov wrote on 21^st Sep, 2017 at 5:24pm:

So far MFS has delivered 37 clicks. On rotate4all I get 31 hits, 23 unique and 8 invalid. But there appears to be some bug in my stats page, since it shows 0$ earned. Furthermore, it also shows referral earnings as $0. But my balance has been increasing and in the downline page I can see that snake has earned me something by website surfing. Is it showing correctly for any of you?

I'm seeing  $0.001488 for you

moneymarketing wrote on 21^st Sep, 2017 at 6:29pm:

I'm seeing  $0.001488 for you

In the "statistics" tab or "my referrals" tab?

ruicarlov wrote on 21^st Sep, 2017 at 6:37pm:

In the "statistics" tab or "my referrals" tab?

In my referrals. I don't think it will show on the stats page until it is .01 cents and higher. I think it is rounded to two decimals. Probably for cash out sake

Here are my stats. I joined 9 days ago

https://image.prntscr.com/image/P7ivswmyRqepE-To53Nf8Q.png

The only thing that bothers me is that I had 2 referrals on 200 hits, Rui's sign up and zero referrals on the other hits

My familyclix's stats for the past week is 651 valid and 86 invalid, 651 / 737 = 88% valid

And mm's is 1,920 / 2,095 = 92% valid

MM, how many clicks are you assigning to your rotate4all link on a daily basis in Familyclix? I'm assigning about 200 per day.

I've also earned $0.15 from mm thus far. Thanks! 8-) 

dansbanners wrote on 22^nd Sep, 2017 at 3:55am:

My familyclix's stats for the past week is 651 valid and 86 invalid, 651 / 737 = 88% valid And mm's is 1,920 / 2,095 = 92% valid MM, how many clicks are you assigning to your rotate4all link on a daily basis in Familyclix? I'm assigning about 200 per day. I've also earned $0.15 from mm thus far. Thanks! 8-)

500pd

I've started a 2000 PTC campaign on YGP, so we'll see how it goes.

To my surprise the 10 second option was at the same price as the 5 second one.. so I picked that one instead.

Maybe this will help with more visits being marked as valid.

I also selected a bunch of the highest tier countries in the list to see if that helps too.

SolidSnake wrote on 22^nd Sep, 2017 at 10:34am:

I also selected a bunch of the highest tier countries in the list to see if that helps too.

Does it cost more per click to select only certain countries? And how to know in advance which ones are higher tiered countries, etc? 

dansbanners wrote on 22^nd Sep, 2017 at 1:37pm:

Does it cost more per click to select only certain countries? And how to know in advance which ones are higher tiered countries, etc?

No, the country filter is free on both YGP and FC. When setting up a new PTC ad you can pick which countries you would like to be able to display your ad to.

As for the which ones are higher tiered, I don't think it plays a part in r4a PTP earnings, but still I like to think that people from these countries are less likely to try to cheat the system somehow, plus they are good potential referrals as well.

Don't forget that the "Register" link is still displayed at the top of the PTP frame and it does work as our referral link, so some of the traffic we drive to it may generate us referrals for r4a as well (apart from PTP earnings).

Anyone here planning to purchase some advertising in Rotate4All?

dansbanners wrote on 24^th Sep, 2017 at 12:01am:

Anyone here planning to purchase some advertising in Rotate4All?

I'm not, why do you ask?

So, we could get some ideas or stats if someone is either planning to purchase some advertising or already has.

dansbanners wrote on 24^th Sep, 2017 at 3:40am:

So, we could get some ideas or stats if someone is either planning to purchase some advertising or already has.

Oh, yes, that would be a good idea. Their advertising is relatively cheap and would be good for the PTC crowd

I may roll some of my earnings there into advertising. I'm already up to 1.17 so it shouldn't be long

moneymarketing wrote on 24^th Sep, 2017 at 3:50pm:

Oh, yes, that would be a good idea. Their advertising is relatively cheap and would be good for the PTC crowd I may roll some of my earnings there into advertising. I'm already up to 1.17 so it shouldn't be long

I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify

moneymarketing wrote on 24^th Sep, 2017 at 9:52pm:

I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify

A nice bonus is that your link is placed on the rotator's links page

Alright so my  YGP campaign ended with the following stats:

https://image.ibb.co/eqjVM5/YGPCampaign_Stats.png

Somehow, less than half the traffic YGP claims to have sent its way have actually reached the destination site.
A lot can play a part on it.. adblockers, slow connections etc.

Also I'm getting a larger amount of invalid clicks, maybe the reason is that people in more advanced countries tend to use mobile devices more than actual computers..   :dontknow

The good part of it is that I also got 2 referrals out of which one did actually earn me something.
I'm running a banner advertising campaign using their banners on BoB and TrafficG.

TrafficG delivered 11 clicks out of 100,000 impressions.
BoB delivered no clicks out of  23,900 impressions so far (the campaign ends at 100,000).

I'll keep you up to date with it.

SS,

Have you tried it in FamilyClix yet? My experience tells me that you'll probably get better stats in there.

I just asked and you can use the rotator with the wordlinx ad bar  :cool1

dansbanners wrote on 25^th Sep, 2017 at 3:21am:

SS, Have you tried it in FamilyClix yet? My experience tells me that you'll probably get better stats in there.

I'll try on tomorrow for another 2000, just to distinguish the results from each one easier.

Maybe I will also try a second run on each.. just to test the results with all countries on.

moneymarketing wrote on 24^th Sep, 2017 at 9:52pm:

I decided to test it out for three days. I'll use the CS link so that I can cross check the stats. I was going to add paidverts but they don't accept gambling sites so I think they might not qualify

After two days my hits are this:

37,836

CS registers this as unique and total:

30,227      34,897      

The sad part is sign ups are this

1  :-[

I think CS is done

The rotator produces a nice number of hits for the price but other things need to be tested if they are to be considered an effective advertising option. For now, they go on the back burner

At least you gave it a try. And thanks for sharing the stats.

dansbanners wrote on 27^th Sep, 2017 at 12:29am:

At least you gave it a try. And thanks for sharing the stats.

With 3 hours to go I'm at 56K hits and three sign ups. That's a little weak from the sign up perspective

moneymarketing wrote on 27^th Sep, 2017 at 7:07pm:

With 3 hours to go I'm at 56K hits and three sign ups. That's a little weak from the sign up perspective

Well, if you use the promote page the focus goes to the site being advertised below.. not that much on the top frame where our link exists.
It's not like targeting our actual referral link, that provides interesting info for R4A itself and displays them on the same page load.

Btw, one of my referrals is proving to be a good one..  :cool1
He has driven more than 3000 hits to his PTP page already.

I've noticed that we are able to see direct details on our referrals' activity including the sources of their traffic, valid/invalid hits etc.
And we also get their email, so there is probability for getting in touch with them.. That's powerful for team work! :)

I already feel great about R4A. Good find! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

So, my FamilyClix campaign has ended with the following stats:

https://image.ibb.co/mtRHM5/R4Astats.png

With a 2000 campaign FC sent a total of 1805 valid clicks and 100 invalid with very few of those non-unique.
That's double the traffic YGP sent me.. YGP must be doing something wrong there..

With a simple calculation based on my stats and earnings I get an average of $0.000235 per hit.
With further calculations I get a return of ~$0.047 per $5 spent on shares just by using up the bonus PTC advertising.

That's an additional 9.4% ROI from the amount invested in shares. :D
Now if you add up the bonus from your referrals... ;)

I think we've got ourselves another gem here guys..  :money

Glad to hear that you're liking the program SS! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Your stats does seem to be in line with that we seem to get paid about $0.05 per 200 clicks in FamilyClix. 8-)

Meanwhile I initiated a larger scale campaign with 75000 PTCs stacked up at FC. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 28^th Sep, 2017 at 3:12pm:

So, my FamilyClix campaign has ended with the following stats: https://image.ibb.co/mtRHM5/R4Astats.png With a 2000 campaign FC sent a total of 1805 valid clicks and 100 invalid with very few of those non-unique. That's double the traffic YGP sent me.. YGP must be doing something wrong there.. With a simple calculation based on my stats and earnings I get an average of $0.000235 per hit. With further calculations I get a return of ~$0.047 per $5 spent on shares just by using up the bonus PTC advertising. That's an additional 9.4% ROI from the amount invested in shares. :D Now if you add up the bonus from your referrals... ;) I think we've got ourselves another gem here guys..  :money

I notice the PTP page is showing up in the FC page rotation. Does anyone know if you got the FC admin as a referral? That would be cool  8-)

Rui,

As I suspected, once my referral earnings went over the 1 cent mark it showed up on the main page stats

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Sep, 2017 at 6:04pm:

Rui, As I suspected, once my referral earnings went over the 1 cent mark it showed up on the main page stats

Yep, I can second that..

However now that I've just checked my referral, I noticed he's now inactive for using autosurfs..  [smiley=sad.gif]

And I lost the $0.01 he earned me.. Why don't people just stick to the rules?

(I remembered this movie scene now..  ;D )

https://media.giphy.com/media/MWDLf1EIUsoNy/giphy.gif

Anyways.. let's hope the next ones will be better..  :dontknow

My invalids just exploded upwards. I was thinking that the scam was up. I always ask Dan about sites when we are talking behind the scenes. One of the questions I want to know is if the site is suddenly going to start having magical 'problems' when our group starts throwing mass amounts of hits. We have seen that in the past

So this is what I see when I check in

https://image.prntscr.com/image/xO8Jo6GFQyGXbzHeNMPU8g.png

:o

What? Where is all this red from? I check the stats and sure enough, something 'changed'


https://image.prntscr.com/image/RpwMKSCsSsKi2klZDrPDfA.png

Fortunately it wasn't the original sites I was promoting on but that I decided to cloak them in the wordlix header. I got permission from the R4A admin to use it but apparently this will kill your registered hits. I'll stick with it though because I think the synergy of the R4A and WL sites will work out better overall. Plus they are bonus hits anyway for the most part

Just know that if you use R4A in WL, your hit percentage may drop

https://image.prntscr.com/image/Mz8KqJ9RQGCoZfmd2u0YIg.png

My mfs campaing finished a while ago sending 1000 clicks (yes, it is slow), and I got 800 valid visits and $0.19 earned. Not bad, although not quick.

ruicarlov wrote on 10^th Oct, 2017 at 9:24pm:

My mfs campaing finished a while ago sending 1000 clicks (yes, it is slow), and I got 800 valid visits and $0.19 earned. Not bad, although not quick.

Are you limiting the 1000 clicks to just upgraded members? Cause I find my 1000 clicks to go very quickly from my end?

dansbanners wrote on 10^th Oct, 2017 at 11:43pm:

Are you limiting the 1000 clicks to just upgraded members? Cause I find my 1000 clicks to go very quickly from my end?

I don't even have the option to choose upgraded members..

ruicarlov wrote on 11^th Oct, 2017 at 12:08pm:

I don't even have the option to choose upgraded members..

I'm still trying to figure out why it's taking that long for you to use up the 1,000 clicks in your MyFreeShares PTC order while it doesn't for me.

For instance, I usually get the 1,000 clicks from the following ad:

- Monthly 1,000 PTC visitors 0.25 cent for all members (i.e. Silver Upgrade)

- 1,000 Unique PTC visitors 0.1 cent 15 sec timer :: 20 points

And the 1,000 clicks is usually used up in just a day or so.

The only 1,000 clicks that's taking longer is the monthly ad that is limited just to the upgraded members.

And you? What's your order?

Just got paid for the 2nd time, this time through Payza.

Here's a comparison of the 2 payments from the two different pay processors:

Paypal: $2.04 - $0.39 fee = $1.65 net

Payza: $2.17 - $0.67 fee = $1.50 net

Apparently the fees are lower in Paypal.

dansbanners wrote on 19^th Oct, 2017 at 2:22am:

Just got paid for the 2nd time, this time through Payza. Here's a comparison of the 2 payments from the two different pay processors: Paypal: $2.04 - $0.39 fee = $1.65 net Payza: $2.17 - $0.67 fee = $1.50 net Apparently the fees are lower in Paypal.

Good job!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I had forgotten that the site also pays in PayPal. :)

Good to know!

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Oct, 2017 at 2:34am:

Good job!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I had forgotten that the site also pays in PayPal. :) Good to know!

Thanks. That's why I also posted it in here. For informational purposes. :)

dansbanners wrote on 19^th Oct, 2017 at 3:38am:

Thanks. That's why I also posted it in here. For informational purposes. :)

And that's exactly why I didn't move it to the payment proofs section..  [smiley=lolx.gif]
Big minds think alike!  ;D

It seems that all of the clicks from mobile devices in both familyclix and yougetprofit count as "100% PTP Invalids".

Is there a way we could have control over that?

dansbanners wrote on 25^th Oct, 2017 at 3:01pm:

It seems that all of the clicks from mobile devices in both familyclix and yougetprofit count as "100% PTP Invalids". Is there a way we could have control over that?

I'm afraid not.. and with so many people switching to mobile devices for their regular browsing I'm also afraid the invalids will keep on climbing.. thankfully they're not the majority of the traffic.

Btw, my balance has finally crossed $10 and there's another 36000 PTCs for my FC campaign to end.

I'm not getting any referrals from PTP hits though..

So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-)

https://image.ibb.co/e1t0xR/2018_01_12_R4_A_Contest.png
(The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif])

But also on the informative side here are some interesting statistics:

FamilyClix provides ~3700 unique visitors and ~300 returning ones, daily with a fixed ad and a FamilyGrid ad at the same time.

And ~4000 unique PTP hits translate to ~$1 in our balance. Non-unique are half the value so I was just close to it.

I used my earnings to purchase advertising because basically I could not withdraw it otherwise, so it was a good time to also test how much traffic they can provide, and R4A was the best shot at both tracking it and benefiting from it at the same time.

https://image.ibb.co/bxEUrm/2018_01_12_R4_A_Stats.png

SolidSnake wrote on 12^th Jan, 2018 at 6:00am:

So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-) https://image.ibb.co/e1t0xR/2018_01_12_R4_A_Contest.png (The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif]) But also on the informative side here are some interesting statistics: FamilyClix provides ~3700 unique visitors and ~300 returning ones, daily with a fixed ad and a FamilyGrid ad at the same time. And ~4000 unique PTP hits translate to ~$1 in our balance. Non-unique are half the value so I was just close to it. I used my earnings to purchase advertising because basically I could not withdraw it otherwise, so it was a good time to also test how much traffic they can provide, and R4A was the best shot at both tracking it and benefiting from it at the same time. https://image.ibb.co/bxEUrm/2018_01_12_R4_A_Stats.png

It's good they can generate extra cash flow. If I wasn't using practically every hit I get for the co-op, I'd probably use r4a more. Recently they paid me btw

https://image.prntscr.com/image/tO2Fk7lTTiaX6Q1D7oXLsQ.png

SolidSnake wrote on 12^th Jan, 2018 at 6:00am:

So, last week I made it through to show up on the top promoters on R4A..  8-) https://image.ibb.co/e1t0xR/2018_01_12_R4_A_Contest.png (The prize was not much of a big deal but somehow the selfish monster in me had to brag about it..   [smiley=lolx.gif])

Congrats on making the promoters' list SS! 8-)

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Jan, 2018 at 8:08pm:

It's good they can generate extra cash flow. If I wasn't using practically every hit I get for the co-op, I'd probably use r4a more. Recently they paid me btw https://image.prntscr.com/image/tO2Fk7lTTiaX6Q1D7oXLsQ.png

Congrats on the payment MM! 8-)

I finally got a good referral for R4A and he came through the FamilyClix fixed ad.

Seems like my "Convert PTC Credits to CASH!" message finally touched someone with accumulated PTC credits from shares, or a big stuck balance there. Either way it's nice!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

http://image.ibb.co/kK8Gbm/2018_01_15_R4_A_Statistics.png

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Jan, 2018 at 10:11am:

I finally got a good referral for R4A and he came through the FamilyClix fixed ad. Seems like my "Convert PTC Credits to CASH!" message finally touched someone with accumulated PTC credits from shares, or a big stuck balance there. Either way it's nice!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] http://image.ibb.co/kK8Gbm/2018_01_15_R4_A_Statistics.png

Good for you SS! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Another cheater was caught.. and another $0.552056 was deducted from my balance..  :beatup

I feel like a bad referral magnet sometimes..  [smiley=sad.gif]

Anyways.. I'm waiting for my second payment from R4A so I will update you with my proofs.

SolidSnake wrote on 1^st Feb, 2018 at 6:41pm:

Another cheater was caught.. and another $0.552056 was deducted from my balance..  :beatup I feel like a bad referral magnet sometimes..  [smiley=sad.gif]

Call me back when you get $2000 deducted from your balance from a cheater referral. Then we'll talk  ;)

ruicarlov wrote on 2^nd Feb, 2018 at 11:34am:

Call me back when you get $2000 deducted from your balance from a cheater referral. Then we'll talk  ;)

True.. that's some high score.  ;D

So I'm testing banners for R4A at YGP.

I get 2 referrals in my first 6000 impressions. 1 in 3000, not a bad ratio I'm thinking. I could do some serious promoting after testing this in bigger groupings

I now have 18000 more impressions for a total of 24000 impressions with no new referrals in the entire 18000. Really?  :-?

If my referral rate gets any lower they will have to change their name to buckets of banners  :-/

And why should I promote these guys?

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Feb, 2018 at 5:43pm:

So I'm testing banners for R4A at YGP. I get 2 referrals in my first 6000 impressions. 1 in 3000, not a bad ratio I'm thinking. I could do some serious promoting after testing this in bigger groupings I now have 18000 more impressions for a total of 24000 impressions with no new referrals in the entire 18000. Really?  :-? If my referral rate gets any lower they will have to change their name to buckets of banners  :-/ And why should I promote these guys?

[smiley=lolx.gif]

24,000 impressions now without a referral

Obviously 5 levels of referring income is a threat to their income model

[smiley=sad.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 20^th Feb, 2018 at 5:55pm:

[smiley=lolx.gif] 24,000 impressions now without a referral Obviously 5 levels of referring income is a threat to their income model [smiley=sad.gif]

Getting referrals through banner impressions are not that easy to come by. IMHO.

That's why I tend to promote BoB in some of the programs. Cause I'm at least earning impressions with it. Then promote programs whereas I get to benefit from each click with anyway in BoB.

If you really want to make a good use of R4All, I suggest you just focus on earning from the PTC's and then if you also get some referrals in the process, it's a bonus.

It's kind of a hard program to promote.. I think because it's different from what the average PTC user has seen..

Maybe they don't easily get the concept and just pass it when they see it...

One must think like a publisher to find it interesting.. other than that we need to guide them more thoroughly how they can use their free credits from shares with it, in order to make profit.

SolidSnake wrote on 20^th Feb, 2018 at 11:55pm:

It's kind of a hard program to promote.. I think because it's different from what the average PTC user has seen.. Maybe they don't easily get the concept and just pass it when they see it... One must think like a publisher to find it interesting.. other than that we need to guide them more thoroughly how they can use their free credits from shares with it, in order to make profit.

Even donkey mails gets better results than that and it is a much older program

The problem is that he is doing this to the people who get how referring works. Thus he is strangling his own program assuming I am right about what is going on

up to 36000 now and still nothing so I have deleted the banners. IF I am right about this then he has just shot himself in the foot

I read again what you said regarding the "5 levels of referring income"..

From what I get it's not exactly "referring" levels.. We only have 1 referral level of downline.

Based on what they say I think levels basically mean repeated visits to our paid to promote page..

Each level shows how much we earn when the same person (IP based) visits our PTP page per 24 hours..

The first time one visits our PTP page we earn $0.000240 and it's called a unique visit.

The second time the same guy visits our PTP page it's no longer a unique visit and counts as a level 1 non-unique visit earning us $0.000120.

Each next visit from the same person drops its value by one level and earns us half the previous amount.

As for the actual promoting, I've also never had great results using their banners either even with hundreds of thousands of banner views.

However using my referral link (not PTP link) in PTC advertising, did actually get me somewhere.. but this way we miss on PTP earnings, so it's up to you to decide what's the most profitable use for your PTC credits.

SolidSnake wrote on 21^st Feb, 2018 at 10:16pm:

I read again what you said regarding the "5 levels of referring income".. From what I get it's not exactly "referring" levels.. We only have 1 referral level of downline. Based on what they say I think levels basically mean repeated visits to our paid to promote page.. Each level shows how much we earn when the same person (IP based) visits our PTP page per 24 hours.. The first time one visits our PTP page we earn $0.000240 and it's called a unique visit. The second time the same guy visits our PTP page it's no longer a unique visit and counts as a level 1 non-unique visit earning us $0.000120. Each next visit from the same person drops its value by one level and earns us half the previous amount. As for the actual promoting, I've also never had great results using their banners either even with hundreds of thousands of banner views. However using my referral link (not PTP link) in PTC advertising, did actually get me somewhere.. but this way we miss on PTP earnings, so it's up to you to decide what's the most profitable use for your PTC credits.

I see where I interpreted that wrong. That said, the reason I'm angry about the banners is that I have a lot of PTC banner clicks due to the ad packs. I had hoped they would be a nice addition to the banner marketing I'm already doing there. I don't have many PTC views to spare anywhere so that doesn't have a lot of value for me.

moneymarketing wrote on 21^st Feb, 2018 at 11:38pm:

I don't have many PTC views to spare anywhere so that doesn't have a lot of value for me.

I currently have 373,104 ad credits. :-?

Maybe you use too many credits all at once. And ought to set some max clicks?

dansbanners wrote on 22^nd Feb, 2018 at 5:05pm:

I currently have 373,104 ad credits. :-? Maybe you use too many credits all at once. And ought to set some max clicks?

I do set maximum clicks but I also have a rotator to run. That said, I don't have many to spare but I also have 80,000 allocated to the rotator. It is about keeping paidverts in people's eyes constantly. That has resulted in 200k views and 29000 outside clicks which is a good number for voluntary clicks

It seems they've increased the earnings per visit a bit and they've also increased the amount of non-unique visits to our link that get paid to 12! :o

http://image.ibb.co/gB2ovH/R4_ALevels.png

That's not bad and could attract people using manual traffic exchanges! :)

That's good to know. One good thing about R4A is that you get paid in a direct sense from promoting their links.

Another interesting thing about R4A is a hidden advantage when working on it on a chain.

Here it is:

When promoting our link we get paid 100% based on the table posted above and our upline earns 20% of that.

However when promoting in more than 1 programs that are closely affiliated with each other there may be a lot of members that are actually on both generating more non-unique hits than unique.. etc. sites from Zigma network, or Family network.

Most people active on Twickerz are also active on Goldenclix, Silverclix and YouGetProfit.
Most people active on FamilyClix are also active on FamilyBTC.

So, by advertising on each site of those on the same day may cause half or more of the hits to be identified as non-unique earning us 100% of the first but 50% or less of all the following ones. Out of 50% our upline earns 20% of that, so that's only 10% earnings of the actual traffic delivered to the site.

This way.. as a team the earning potential of unique hits is 120% while the earning potential of non-unique is only 60% or 30% or even less if the traffic comes from people active on more sites of the same network.

So, Rui tested the following.. when using PTC credits stacked up on the larger site of a network he advertises his PTP link, then advertises my link on another one.. so instead of taking 50% of the earnings by non-unique hits he just get 20% as referral earnings but granted me a full 100% on those.. which when I spend based on our synergy of sites, benefit him on other sites where he is my upline.

This works with well with me too.. since when advertising on PV I like to split my advertising to multiple campaigns in order to qualify for the APS achievements so I use one for my own PTP link, one for his PTP link and if I need to run more at once I could use MM's or Dan's. Same goes for FamilyClix/FamilyBTC. This way I benefit both Rui and his upline and we get the most out of our traffic driven to the site as a team.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Another thing, is that if you run an ad campaign and either no one or very few join, at least you still get to benefit from each click promoting R4A.

Just got paid $5.10! 8-)

Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those..

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic

Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those.. https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)

I see FamilyClix listed in there with a very good ratio. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2018 at 3:46pm:

Interesting news on R4A, we can now see the top 50 list their PTP traffic comes from and even better the invalid ratio from each one of those.. https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/toptraffic Some interesting stats to keep in mind.. :)

He lives! I thought you were arrested for bitcoin crimes against your country or something  ;D

moneymarketing wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2018 at 9:20pm:

He lives! I thought you were arrested for bitcoin crimes against your country or something  ;D

Lol.. no I'm still out and alive.. almost.. :D

Faced a bunch of health issues here and there, but ok nothing serious..

It's just 30s+ kicking me back, but I'm a survivor..  :beatup

Tomorrow I'm having a "wisdom" tooth removed, so I'm on painkillers today.

I missed some clicking days but at least I still read the news. ;)

Now that I'm backing off from promoting the co-op I can start to focus on r4a again. So my first promotions will be in fbtc where I am starting to generate a lot of credits due to all the packs I am able to buy daily

moneymarketing wrote on 14^th Apr, 2018 at 8:19pm:

Now that I'm backing off from promoting the co-op I can start to focus on r4a again. So my first promotions will be in fbtc where I am starting to generate a lot of credits due to all the packs I am able to buy daily

As I said before, I'm getting a very good PTP ratio promoting R4A in FC, probably the best of all programs.

dansbanners wrote on 15^th Apr, 2018 at 3:15pm:

As I said before, I'm getting a very good PTP ratio promoting R4A in FC, probably the best of all programs.

It's pretty good in fbtc so far

https://s14.postimg.cc/g619g8o41/Screenshot_4.png

...and the reason I'm not promoting it in FC anymore is because they don't sell the ad packs, so I would have to spend actual money on the advertising. That would be a guaranteed loss. At least with the FBTC ads, they are free so it's money on top

moneymarketing wrote on 15^th Apr, 2018 at 10:19pm:

...and the reason I'm not promoting it in FC anymore is because they don't sell the ad packs, so I would have to spend actual money on the advertising. That would be a guaranteed loss. At least with the FBTC ads, they are free so it's money on top

Don't you have any ad packs left in FC? I still have about an 100.

dansbanners wrote on 16^th Apr, 2018 at 1:14pm:

Don't you have any ad packs left in FC? I still have about an 100.

I do but the advertising received from them is gone

Rotate4All just made some changes to their banners for the better. Good to see them being proactive.

dansbanners wrote on 17^th May, 2018 at 9:26pm:

Rotate4All just made some changes to their banners for the better. Good to see them being proactive.

It's good to always move forward and get better!

I'll definitely use them!  [smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Another cool promo from R4A.. :)


Quote:

LIMITED! Weekly contest prizes TRIPLED! We decided to significantly raise the stakes for this week and run a promo on our Weekly Contests by TRIPLING the prizes in both our PTP and SURF modules for the current week. The promo starts Monday (May 28th) and lasts until Sunday midnight (June 3rd). Depending on the amount of traffic we receive, there may also be some additional prizes credited. Also based on the results we may also extend this promo for another week. Not sure where to promote to get the best results? Check out our Top Traffic page which includes a detailed overview where others were promoting during the past weeks. It's all up to you. So don't miss out! Now's the time to Promote your link even more or SURF our ads.

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=15

They're getting more active over time the slow and steady way! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

SolidSnake wrote on 28^th May, 2018 at 10:13am:

Another cool promo from R4A.. :) https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=15 They're getting more active over time the slow and steady way! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

8-)

Once again some great news from R4A!


Quote:

Tablets are now allowed! Due to popular demand we have implemented a system to better filter Mobile traffic and thus we are now able to validate (and pay for) part of that, specifically traffic coming from Mobile Tablets. Starting from Today, we will no longer exclude traffic coming from Mobile Tablets in our PTP module, however the device resolution & screen/frame size requirement still applies, as per our terms. This also applies to our SURF module as well. All sections on our website including the terms, have now been amended and the term "Mobile devices" has been changed to "Mobile phones" which for the time being will still be excluded. We are aware that more & more people are using their phones to navigate online and for that purpose we're already working on a solution to better analyze this type of traffic. The ultimate goal here is to include all mobile traffic eventually but we still need more time to implement a proper system in order to prevent potential fraud. Stay tuned. The best things are yet to come!

So, mobile phones may be coming soon!
That would greatly boost our earnings!

Every little bit helps and counts! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I'm getting a "Whoops. Incorrect captcha." error when trying to log in.. anyone else facing the same issue?

It's Google's re-Captcha service and all I get is a clickable checkbox, so I click it, I get the success tick, but still that error pops up..

SolidSnake wrote on 14^th Aug, 2018 at 12:38am:

I'm getting a "Whoops. Incorrect captcha." error when trying to log in.. anyone else facing the same issue? It's Google's re-Captcha service and all I get is a clickable checkbox, so I click it, I get the success tick, but still that error pops up..

I got logged in normally today so the problem may have been temporary.

More good news from Rotate4All:


Quote:

EV SSL certificate acquired, further updates While we were using a standard SSL certificate on our site for a long time now (since 2014) we felt that we should add another layer of trust to our company's name, so we have submitted our paperwork and applied for an EV SSL certificate from Comodo. After a lengthy verification process we finally got approved and got issued a new EV SSL certificate for our domain, as shown in your browser's address bar: So what does this mean for our users? Well first of all, it shows that we mean business and we're here to stay as the services we provide are backed by a real company (RFA ADVERT SRL). Second, your information on this website is as safe as possible, as we always take necessary measures to protect our users' data. Regarding our PTP module, we're in the final testing phase of accepting traffic from mobile phones, which will drastically reduce the amount of visits marked as invalid. A separate announcement will be made once everything has been properly tested and implemented. Regarding our SURF module, we are working on a feature to further increase the appeal of this module as well. Last but not least, there are many ideas floating around in order to improve our services. One of which may just see the light of day is a feature we would call "Get Paid To Socialize". More on that soon. Posted by: Ivan Levente -- Rotate4all Admin Posted on: 2018-08-21 11:57:18

That's good to know! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I got two referrals. So maybe someone pointed out they weren't getting any and they found some sort of glitch. I hope this is the case but this encourages me to try more shows

moneymarketing wrote on 31^st Aug, 2018 at 8:55pm:

I got two referrals. So maybe someone pointed out they weren't getting any and they found some sort of glitch. I hope this is the case but this encourages me to try more shows

That's good to know. And you're also getting paid to promote them to begin with.

dansbanners wrote on 1^st Sep, 2018 at 8:11pm:

That's good to know. And you're also getting paid to promote them to begin with.

Yes. My total payout - mainly due to Rui's work - is $28.62

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moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Sep, 2018 at 8:06am:

Yes. My total payout - mainly due to Rui's work - is $28.62 [smiley=12-party.gif]

Great! I also have 8 referrals. So I've been getting them all along. 8-)

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Sep, 2018 at 1:22pm:

Great! I also have 8 referrals. So I've been getting them all along. 8-)

I have 7 total but they stopped for a time. I also notice he pays quicker now. The last one was within hours. I don't know if that was just lucky timing

They've always paid quickly from my end.

I see that they now have a validating, "$X.XXXXXX USD credited for publisher #" message in their top bar. Good to see them being proactive. 8-) 

more good news

https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/9e7e0106-02d5-477a-88c1-4678dccbf1ba.png

original image location

https://prnt.sc/kzk2hi

Those 10 referrals gained since my last report came from the paidverts cheap ads which were paid for out of PV earnings. So those referrals are essentially free. And you can see the cheap ads are quite effective

:)

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Sep, 2018 at 12:02am:

more good news https://screenshotscdn.firefoxusercontent.com/images/9e7e0106-02d5-477a-88c1-4678dccbf1ba.png original image location https://prnt.sc/kzk2hi Those 10 referrals gained since my last report came from the paidverts cheap ads which were paid for out of PV earnings. So those referrals are essentially free. And you can see the cheap ads are quite effective :)

Whoa! :o

Good for you. Keep up the good work! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

So, I've decided to post here my traffic results for campaigns I'm running for R4A on other sites just to have them all in one place.

It seems the country trick does a good job on some sites while it doesn't on others. So far:

My YGP greek-only Mini ad campaign goes great so far.. 21 internal clicks / 762 external clicks and it's somewhere in the pile of Mini paid to click ads.. I think it would do much better if it was a standard ad, so maybe I'll give them a try soon. I only assigned 100 clicks so I'll give it some time to expire.

My FamilyBTC greek-only Mini ad campaign has received zero external clicks after 101 internal clicks (3-4 per day), but I think it's due to the fact that it's burried close to the bottom, so I'm adjusting my strategy there. I added a Standard Ad this time for better exposure to non logged in visitors, and still have the greek filter on for internals. Let's see if it will attract any attention now.

I've just initiated a greek-only regular exposure ad on Twickerz, since they only allow demograhic filters on these ones. But it will be good if it also boosts exposure to non logged in visitors so we'll see how that one goes. I'll keep you up to date once i have some results.

My Paidverts single adgrid fixed campaign receives an average of 272 valid clicks daily based on my previous week's stats (1,906 valid / 75 invalid). I run my bulk ads with Rui's link, so they don't get mixed with these.

I'm thinking of expanding this list to include ScarletClicks and GPTPlanet as I have some funds accumulated there by old direct referrals. One step at a time.. :)

Also I use this gif on my new campaigns, in case you would like sth like that:

https://image.ibb.co/nzcyHf/R4-A-Banner.gif

I created it with giphy and set it to switch colors once every 1.4 seconds to prevent people from getting OCD triggered. I think it's not offensive or anything, and it advertises R4A's main quality. What do you think? :)

[edit]Edit: I created it with two 100x100 images.. but somehow giphy enlarged it..  :-/
Anyways.. PTC sites normally scale it to 100x100, so it should get displayed on its original size.[/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 1^st Nov, 2018 at 3:25pm:

So, I've decided to post here my traffic results for campaigns I'm running for R4A on other sites just to have them all in one place. It seems the country trick does a good job on some sites while it doesn't on others. So far: My YGP greek-only Mini ad campaign goes great so far.. 21 internal clicks / 762 external clicks and it's somewhere in the pile of Mini paid to click ads.. I think it would do much better if it was a standard ad, so maybe I'll give them a try soon. I only assigned 100 clicks so I'll give it some time to expire. My FamilyBTC greek-only Mini ad campaign has received zero external clicks after 101 internal clicks (3-4 per day), but I think it's due to the fact that it's burried close to the bottom, so I'm adjusting my strategy there. I added a Standard Ad this time for better exposure to non logged in visitors, and still have the greek filter on for internals. Let's see if it will attract any attention now. I've just initiated a greek-only regular exposure ad on Twickerz, since they only allow demograhic filters on these ones. But it will be good if it also boosts exposure to non logged in visitors so we'll see how that one goes. I'll keep you up to date once i have some results. My Paidverts single adgrid fixed campaign receives an average of 272 valid clicks daily based on my previous week's stats (1,906 valid / 75 invalid). I run my bulk ads with Rui's link, so they don't get mixed with these. I'm thinking of expanding this list to include ScarletClicks and GPTPlanet as I have some funds accumulated there by old direct referrals. One step at a time.. :) Also I use this gif on my new campaigns, in case you would like sth like that: https://image.ibb.co/nzcyHf/R4-A-Banner.gif I created it with giphy and set it to switch colors once every 1.4 seconds to prevent people from getting OCD triggered. I think it's not offensive or anything, and it advertises R4A's main quality. What do you think? :) [edit]Edit: I created it with two 100x100 images.. but somehow giphy enlarged it..  :-/ Anyways.. PTC sites normally scale it to 100x100, so it should get displayed on its original size.[/edit]

It does job one for sure and that is get attention 8-)

I'm not sure if the message is too narrow a focus or not. You'll need to test market it. One thing it should do is attract those with larger credit flows which are the more important people anyway

I see they finally changed the auto logout function. Having to log in every thirty minutes or whatever was becoming very tedious. That will probably save them a lot of server resources also

So, here's an update on my campaigns:

My YGP greek-only campaign ended with 100 internal / 3472 external clicks and it was only a micro ad.

I'm now taking it to the next level and see if there will be a bonus.. I'm advertising my R4A link using one of the smallest population countries in the world but this time as the most expensive type of ad. 50 credits / click..
But my ad is now bumped at the top of the "view ads" listing, so let's see how many external clicks it will draw. :)

On the other hand my FamilyBTC greek-only campaign does not go that well so far... 57 internal / 0 external clicks.
This leads me to some conclusions regarding the program.. since eternal clicks are mainly done by visitors and not actual members it most likely shows us that there are not many people promoting it right now, which also shows that not many people actually believe it's worth it.

My Twickerz campaign unfortunately ended and was automatically removed so I can't see its stats now..  >:(
Pff.. that sucks, but as far as I can remember it, there were also very few external hits to my link.
So, I'm now running the same test as YGP, with a tiny population country, and will post back my results soon..

My single Paidverts adgrid fixed ad dropped to an average of 209 valid clicks daily (1464 valid / 25 invalid) during the past week.

I'll update you when I have fresh data. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Nov, 2018 at 4:53pm:

So, here's an update on my campaigns: My YGP greek-only campaign ended with 100 internal / 3472 external clicks and it was only a micro ad.

That's impressive! Thanks for sharing it in here.

So, this has been bugging me for a while now, so I've finally found some time to deal with it..

I've decided to split my payment proof thread to 3 separate threads, one for each one of us.

It got really hard to keep track of where each ones payments proofs were so I created a diagram based on how the discussion was flowing and it seemed possible.

Now, I've finally got down to it and performed the above process splitting the threads to the following:

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs - By SolidSnake

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs - By Dansbanners

Rotate4All.com - Payment Proofs and Stats - By MoneyMarketing

It seems the discussion is still consistent and intact (all quoting is correct).
So, now we can keep our proofs going while keeping a better track, picking up where we had left it.

Also more payment proofs by different members are more appealing to visitors.

I'm so tempted to go big time with this but having been burned so many times in the past I just don't want to risk it. Thus I'm stuck with growing based on web earnings

It sure is looking promising though

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Nov, 2018 at 6:45pm:

I'm so tempted to go big time with this but having been burned so many times in the past I just don't want to risk it. Thus I'm stuck with growing based on web earnings It sure is looking promising though

Better safe than sorry! Besides I think you can still achieve a lot with just your web earnings. ;)

I'm also running on web earnings for almost 2 years now, and I've also pulled out some nice amounts of cash.

If FBTC didn't drown I would have probably been making more than a greek salary.. but well.. we work with what we have.

Nonetheless, I'm still on the positive and profitable side, so we keep going. We've been through worse. :)

It seems I've got a super surfer referral this time.. I just hope he doesn't cheat or sth.

He has been steadily viewing 1250 sites daily for more than 2 weeks now so he is steadily earning $0.25 daily while making me $0.05 daily.

That's awesome, if only I could get a few more of this type.. :)

And I don't have a way of contacting him in order to get him something back.. pff..

SolidSnake wrote on 11^th Dec, 2018 at 11:14am:

It seems I've got a super surfer referral this time.. I just hope he doesn't cheat or sth. He has been steadily viewing 1250 sites daily for more than 2 weeks now so he is steadily earning $0.25 daily while making me $0.05 daily.

8-)

For some reason, I had no desire to run my usual ad this week. Thus it was no surprise that as I went to buy someone has sniffed out my ad spot and was sitting in it (my instincts are getting better).

Isn't it funny how they always manage to take the exact day that I would take (usually after I have set my ad) and thus wreck the referring for both of us? These guys are so stupid that if I had bought the advertising last night they would be sitting there today also and, instead of taking one of the other 7 days in the week and thus both of us could get many more referrals, they advertise the same day as I do and we both get half the referrals

Why are affiliates such stupid advertisers? Their selfishness and shortsightedness wrecks it for everyone

Glad I saved my money last night.

moneymarketing wrote on 11^th Dec, 2018 at 8:03pm:

For some reason, I had no desire to run my usual ad this week. Thus it was no surprise that as I went to buy someone has sniffed out my ad spot and was sitting in it (my instincts are getting better). Isn't it funny how they always manage to take the exact day that I would take (usually after I have set my ad) and thus wreck the referring for both of us? These guys are so stupid that if I had bought the advertising last night they would be sitting there today also and, instead of taking one of the other 7 days in the week and thus both of us could get many more referrals, they advertise the same day as I do and we both get half the referrals Why are affiliates such stupid advertisers? Their selfishness and shortsightedness wrecks it for everyone Glad I saved my money last night.

All worked out well. I sent my ad last night and he didn't affect my referrals much. More traffic to r4a should be beneficial. Doing the math, with my earnings from CS and r4a more than my r4a advertising costs, I'm turning a profit, so all the referrals I get are effectively free.

Next step is to make r4a self-sustaining. That could be a ways off. Only about halfway there at this point  :)

Ouch...

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=23

Thankfully these guys still handled it professionally without any lame excuses.

The fact that they were even prepared for this and held most of their funds in a safer-than-paypal place, makes me want to thumbs-up them a bit more.

[smiley=sad.gif]

But at least they're handling it in a professional manner.

SolidSnake wrote on 17^th Dec, 2018 at 1:04am:

Ouch... https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=23 Thankfully these guys still handled it professionally without any lame excuses. The fact that they were even prepared for this and held most of their funds in a safer-than-paypal place, makes me want to thumbs-up them a bit more.

I guess I shouldn't have opened my big mouth and said I was making a profit.

This is all forming a bit of a dilemma for me. Even though I am netting out cash from the CS r4a combo, CS will not last forever. My referral income from r4a was growing but it has since stalled. This is not good because I need that to replace my CS income.

So I am in a dilemma. Do I go for the profits now and hope the r4a income resumes or do I start using my CS income to promote something else that will grow my cash flow?

Short term versus long term gains.  :-/

moneymarketing wrote on 17^th Dec, 2018 at 6:45am:

I guess I shouldn't have opened my big mouth and said I was making a profit. This is all forming a bit of a dilemma for me. Even though I am netting out cash from the CS r4a combo, CS will not last forever. My referral income from r4a was growing but it has since stalled. This is not good because I need that to replace my CS income. So I am in a dilemma. Do I go for the profits now and hope the r4a income resumes or do I start using my CS income to promote something else that will grow my cash flow? Short term versus long term gains.  :-/

and, of course, not going big with offline money was again the smart move. At least the online income wolrd's ability to disappoint is something to rely upon. You could set your clock by it.  [smiley=lolx.gif]

Hey guys,

Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program.

First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions.

Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd!

Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program?
While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program).

So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything.
Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously.

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rotate4all.com wrote on 20^th Feb, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Hey guys, Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program. First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions. Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd! Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program? While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program). So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything. Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously. [smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Hi Ivan,

First, welcome to the Forum. Hope you make a good use of it or find it helpful! :)

Personally, I've not made any changes in promoting Rotate4All. The only thing is that it may not be getting as much hits as it used to either cause the credits aren't being used up as quickly or I don't have as much credits as I used to in a couple of traffic program I promote R4A in.

rotate4all.com wrote on 20^th Feb, 2019 at 8:38pm:

Hey guys, Ivan Levente here. Owner of rotate4all.com here to address any questions/doubts regarding our program. First of all I must confess that I've been secretly following this forum (as well as many others) as that's just something I do from time to time. I greatly value (and listen) to our users' opinions. Second, I must thank @moneymarketing here for all his promoting efforts -- much appreciated! You really stand out of the crowd! Third, come one guys, what's holding you back? I've seen a somewhat decrease in activity ever since PayPal decided to :censored us back in December without any logical explanation as to why. So really, is the PayPal issue that much of a "deciding factor" when it comes to trusting/untrusting an online program? While it was indeed a setback for us, it wasn't near the "final blow" as explained in our news section. After a lengthy process we finally got approved for Skrill payments both in and out. So expect Skrill to be added as an additional payment processor on our site in the near future (it's already added for our Advertiser program). So yeah, I'm here to answer any questions/doubts. So don't hesitate to ask anything. Suggestions/criticism are welcome as well, obviously. [smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

Welcome Ivan!

Good to see we have some big time secret watchers out there. For me, it is just about economics. I need to turn a profit.

Take my last campaign for example. I placed an ad at Neobux for $70. That netted me out $25 in earnings at R4A. If I win the contest this week, then that will bump me to $35
but that is still a 50% loss.

I did gain 24 referrals but the referral earnings are not enough to make up the difference. And it is not like I went somewhere else, it seems all the affiliate sites just don't give a good ROI unless the traffic is free like it is at some of my sites

I think it is great you are paying by skrill. I can use that to combine earnings at other sites and maybe put some campaigns on.

Things are pretty tough for affiliate referring these days  :-/

I see. Thanks a lot for the feedback!

I've also seen a decrease in activity in the related sites (PTC/TE). Meaning less & less "worthy" PTC or TE sites are popping up, while the users' trust factor is at a minimum, bringing down the activity levels overall.
Though I've seen a tendency of activity increase in crypto-related sites such as faucets/games/gambling themed :censored.
Perhaps I should also look into that? Or, better yet, I think we should come up with something new.
Been thinking about what to introduce to really grab people's attention from quite a while. The trend currently is in crypto but you'll never know for sure.
What I would definitely not do is fill our site with annoying banners left & right as seen everywhere else.
User experience is very important to us and that's not something I would tinker with a lot.

The referral program, regardless of the 20%, may be somewhat disappointing to some and I would like to improve that as well. Though adding referral commissions from our advertisement purchases is a no-go because then I would have to increase the advertiser prices, which again is a no-go.

Any suggestions are welcome! Thanks again!

Since paypal is no longer a factor, how about letting the referral payments go a little deeper. They are really the only ones that block MLM. What about maybe 12 percent on the first level and then 2% through the next four or some formula like that. It wouldn't cost you anything more but it would broaden the earnings and add to the residual benefits. I think many big promoters would go for that because they can build a team deep

Hello there Ivan Levente and welcome to our forum!
I'm also a big fan of R4A and focus a lot of my efforts there.

Regarding PayPal and PTC/PTP sites,  most of us have moved on long ago.. it's no longer a mainstream player in this industry.
It's almost a negative factor due to the instability they've caused and keep causing to such sites.
I prefer to use bitcoin, due to the freedom of its nature, others have already set up alternatives.

As for the traffic decrease it's mostly the sites, we advertise on that reduced the delivery speed.
We'll keep trying to get the best out of them though.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Btw, I've just read the latest update regarding Brave browser..
A concern I have about it is how safe it is when using it with shields down, since that's a requirement.

I'm quite sure your site is safe but we can't really know for sure when it comes to the advertisers.
Loading sites through frames, can make our browsers more vulnerable than regular ones.

Since it's already decided though, please just make sure to run security tests thoroughly when an advertiser places an order.
If an infected site gets through, it could harm R4A's reputation which would be bad for all of us.

I'm sure you'll do your best though, so keep up the good work.

We hope to see you hanging around here from time to time. :)
And we are always open to new opportunities, ideas and partnerships.

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The multi-level referral commissions is a good suggestion. Though I would have to run it through Skrill compliance dept. first, then run a simulation on our current user-base. Noted, and will follow-up this soon.

Regarding Brave browser, it's "Shield" feature is not an anti-virus or anything like that. It's simply a privacy protection tool which blocks certain ad types, trackers, cookies, referring urls and such. We require this feature to be disabled only for our site in order to be able to track user activity in the Surf module and to differentiate users who block ads on purpose from those who don't as such activities are against our terms.
Disabling this feature would in no way put you in any (or more) danger than when using any other browser, especially if you're already using a 3rd party anti-virus software which you should already be using anyways as the first line of defense. Also you should be able to use almost all extensions that are available to Chrome as most of them are also supported by Brave browser as well.

Another interesting option I would love to have on R4A is to be able to view my referral's link.

A bunch of times when I got a really active referral and wanted to boost him up a little to keep him excited about his earnings there was no direct way to do it.

And since there is no way to contact him directly through the site, we can't help him at all, and he may get discouraged by his own only earnings.

I would love to be able to also build a downline for my referral since I get a commission of his earnings and also motivate him to work more seriously on the project.

I believe team work is much more profitable than going solo.. :)

That's a good one too that can totally be implemented. However with the only tweak that you could "tip" your referral by choosing predefined values say from a drop-down list, along with some generic messages, again in the same manner by choosing from a drop-down list, due to security reasons and in order to prevent SPAM messages such as "click or die".
Noted. Thanks!

Also, Skrill is finally available: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news

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Unfortunately we had to increase the minimum withdraw amount only for Bitcoin payments from $5 to $10 due to the high network transaction fees.

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Yeah, but there is actually a valid reason why they did that..


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We noticed that for a $5 payment, we had to pay $1.58-$1.60. That's 32% deducted from the payable amount, meaning you'd get that amount less credited to your Bitcoin wallet. ... So by increasing the minimum rate to $10 (for now), the same fee represents only 16% from the payable amount, which is let's say "acceptable" though still high compared to any other payment processor.

However on the rest of the processors the minimum is still $5.

IMHO I think it's better if we let it accumulate more than $20 or even more before we cashout.. That way the fee is kept to a minimum

Alright, hope for the best.

They raised the PTP rate by 60% so this might be a go again. Maybe not for sites like Neobux but for lower-cost sites and click grids, this might turn a small profit while bringing in referrals. If you are a bargain shopper on the advertising side or have a ton of free advertising somewhere, it might be time for some redeployment  :)

To pay for this they removed the referral contests

moneymarketing wrote on 5^th Dec, 2019 at 7:16am:

They raised the PTP rate by 60% so this might be a go again. Maybe not for sites like Neobux but for lower-cost sites and click grids, this might turn a small profit while bringing in referrals. If you are a bargain shopper on the advertising side or have a ton of free advertising somewhere, it might be time for some redeployment  :) To pay for this they removed the referral contests

This is good!

We get $0.40 per 1000 hits.. that should minimize the advertising costs by a huge bunch!  :money

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Dec, 2019 at 10:59am:

This is good! We get $0.40 per 1000 hits.. that should minimize the advertising costs by a huge bunch!  :money

A one-day ad at Neo runs @ $70 and gets about 140K hits. That should work out to about $56 from R4A so whatever referrals you can generate from 140K hits will cost you around $14 net. That's not too bad. $1 for 10K preium quality hits. That was close to what you would be earning in the past if you won the contest but the win was not a guarantee so the money could be a lot lower

With both R4A and NB taking skrill, it is easy to do a transaction

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Dec, 2019 at 6:30am:

A one-day ad at Neo runs @ $70 and gets about 140K hits. That should work out to about $56 from R4A so whatever referrals you can generate from 140K hits will cost you around $14 net. That's not too bad. $1 for 10K preium quality hits. That was close to what you would be earning in the past if you won the contest but the win was not a guarantee so the money could be a lot lower With both R4A and NB taking skrill, it is easy to do a transaction

The more I do the math, the more I want to fund this from my online earnings. Even at a $14 cost they are becoming the best ROI option out there. I think R4A has just moved from the back to the front of the line.  [smiley=lolx.gif]

It's funny how priorities can change in 'business'. This is an excellent lesson in economics. Money will move to where it is best served

I see also that, as your referrals rise, you get paid more for their surfing. So I think 50k referrals is a good goal   :money :money :money [smiley=lolx.gif]

Yes, in theory it should be around $56 with all visits being unique, which we all know won't be the case here due to the ads reset time being different for each user.  So you'll have a lot of non-unique visits out of that 140k for which the rate is less.

Then there will be the invalid visits (around 12%). On Neobux these are mostly from the "Invalid 3" category (Device screen/frame size too small). From my own investigation into this some time ago I have concluded that these must be users using some kind of ad-blocking software or browser add-on.

And last but not least, while Neobux traffic may great in terms of volume, it doesn't convert that well in terms of sign-ups on our platform. Other sites like Paidverts, Ptcshare and most crypto-sites convert much, much better.

rotate4all.com wrote on 7^th Dec, 2019 at 10:02am:

Yes, in theory it should be around $56 with all visits being unique, which we all know won't be the case here due to the ads reset time being different for each user.  So you'll have a lot of non-unique visits out of that 140k for which the rate is less. Then there will be the invalid visits (around 12%). On Neobux these are mostly from the "Invalid 3" category (Device screen/frame size too small). From my own investigation into this some time ago I have concluded that these must be users using some kind of ad-blocking software or browser add-on. And last but not least, while Neobux traffic may great in terms of volume, it doesn't convert that well in terms of sign-ups on our platform. Other sites like Paidverts, Ptcshare and most crypto-sites convert much, much better.

I'll give it a shot and see what kind of numbers I get. I can fund the deficit with other online earnings compounded so it will not be a net loss. If I can build a referral base then that should carry me into profit. If it doesn't happen fast then I can shift directions.

Another thing adding to the synergy is if I advertise on your platform at the same time so I will be paying you to pay me to show my pages. That will lower my costs a bit too  :)

moneymarketing wrote on 7^th Dec, 2019 at 4:57pm:

...if I advertise on your platform at the same time ... I will be paying you to pay me to show my pages... :)

That last line just blew my mind...  ;D

Still though, genius..!  ;)

SolidSnake wrote on 8^th Dec, 2019 at 2:08am:

That last line just blew my mind...  ;D Still though, genius..!  ;)

I have big plans and big dreams.

They just usually don't come to pass  :-/

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Even though I got 23 referrals, which I'm happy about, I only made $26 so that is too much of a gap to be made up. I might try other sites to see if the cost of credits is cheaper

Is there an issue with You Get Profit? I'm seeing zero valid hits to the stats page which is virtually impossible. Did you ban them due to the new rotator site?  :-?

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Dec, 2019 at 3:43pm:

Is there an issue with You Get Profit? I'm seeing zero valid hits to the stats page which is virtually impossible. Did you ban them due to the new rotator site?  :-?

I see they are blacklisted though I don't know why  :-/

Yeah they've been blacklisted since 2 weeks ago along with all Zigma group sites and a few others.
Reason for that was that they were showing ads in front of our content (ie. floating banners, on-click pop-ups/pop-unders, redirects etc.), which is against our terms.
They chose to continue screwing over their PTC advertisers instead of complying with our terms.

I suggest you spend your money on sites where they actually promote your ads, instead of their own.

rotate4all.com wrote on 28^th Dec, 2019 at 7:25pm:

Yeah they've been blacklisted since 2 weeks ago along with all Zigma group sites and a few others. Reason for that was that they were showing ads in front of our content (ie. floating banners, on-click pop-ups/pop-unders, redirects etc.), which is against our terms. They chose to continue screwing over their PTC advertisers instead of complying with our terms. I suggest you spend your money on sites where they actually promote your ads, instead of their own.

Yes unfortunately they tend to do that a lot... and it's always been very annoying.

I only browse their site with a bunch of ad/popup blockers carefully set up, along with ad network blocks in my windows hosts file..

Since your site is important to many advertisers there it may be a hit to them.. which might make a difference.. maybe not who knows..

I don't pay for my advertising there anymore. It all pays for itself so that is not a big issue but I was liking the R4A income coming from them. I'll need to find something else now

Dang it. I noticed the blacklisted site only yesterday, as well. And most of my traffic came from there since I had accumulated a lot of credits there. In twickerz case, due to some troubles, I'm unable to cashout, so I've been using my balance to buy advertising....  [smiley=sad.gif]
I get that browsing in twickerz can get a bit chaotic, and a pop-up hell. Same for Goldenclix, but my experience with YGP has been that it runs much better. Is it just me?

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2019 at 4:58pm:

Dang it. I noticed the blacklisted site only yesterday, as well. And most of my traffic came from there since I had accumulated a lot of credits there. In twickerz case, due to some troubles, I'm unable to cashout, so I've been using my balance to buy advertising....  [smiley=sad.gif] I get that browsing in twickerz can get a bit chaotic, and a pop-up hell. Same for Goldenclix, but my experience with YGP has been that it runs much better. Is it just me?

With noscript, I don't even notice it because they are all stopped

For the time being I found out Goldenclix also has a ptp page at $0.20 per 1000 unique visits, with tiers for repeated visits, to use with Twickerz and YGP. Better than nothing, I guess, and looks like a better option than that the rotate copycat.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2019 at 9:00pm:

For the time being I found out Goldenclix also has a ptp page at $0.20 per 1000 unique visits, with tiers for repeated visits, to use with Twickerz and YGP. Better than nothing, I guess, and looks like a better option than that the rotate copycat.

Are Zigma sites in the approved list of donkey-mails? If yes that would also be an option..

SolidSnake wrote on 30^th Dec, 2019 at 11:24pm:

Are Zigma sites in the approved list of donkey-mails? If yes that would also be an option..

Only yougetprofit is approved, where I have little credits left. Still, goldenclix seems like a better option considering all countries have the same value and repeat visits count.

ruicarlov wrote on 31^st Dec, 2019 at 12:44pm:

Only yougetprofit is approved, where I have little credits left. Still, goldenclix seems like a better option considering all countries have the same value and repeat visits count.

FYI. DonkeyMails' PTP stopped working in YGP. Check the overall PTP stats in DonkeyMails.

dansbanners wrote on 31^st Dec, 2019 at 3:14pm:

FYI. DonkeyMails' PTP stopped working in YGP. Check the overall PTP stats in DonkeyMails.

I saw the stats, but I just thought nobody was usng it.

ruicarlov wrote on 1^st Jan, 2020 at 3:28pm:

I saw the stats, but I just thought nobody was usng it.

I also saw that my own DonkeyMails' PTP stopped working in YGP.

Rotate4All is down?

Yes, it's down since more than 10 hours ago.
Quote from our hosting provider:


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We're currently experiencing a network event that is affecting multiple providers in the Albany, NY area. We are actively addressing the issue which is in the repair phase with our partners, however means to contact us for technical support and updates are currently offline. Crews are on site and fiber services are in the process of being spliced/restored. There will be no data loss as a result of this outage, and all email services both inbound and out will resume functionality with any emails sent or received during the outage delivered at that time with no content loss. We are working as quickly as possible to get all services back to 100% and will provide updates when they become available. Thank you for your patience.

Unfortunately this is out of our control. We just have to wait it out.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

rotate4all.com wrote on 15^th Jan, 2020 at 5:38pm:

Yes, it's down since more than 10 hours ago. Quote from our hosting provider: Unfortunately this is out of our control. We just have to wait it out. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

Thanks for the update. We appreciate it. We'll wait it out. Hope it gets resolved soon.

...And we're back!  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Yes. I saw that! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Introducing: banner advertising (beta) https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/banners.php

A dedicated page for banner advertising, taking up a permanent 10 slots in our rotator (that's at least 100k impressions/day).
Unlike other dedicated banner pages here you won't pay for a specific spot, rather for the banner size: 468x60 or 728x90, which gets rotated every time the page is accessed, thus ensuring maximum exposure for all banners. Note that rotation occurs only between both sized banners, meaning that the big ones do get rotated over to the small one's positions and vice-versa as well.
The page is optimized for fast loading with a responsive design which automatically resizes images for smaller/mobile screens.
We are limiting this to only 8 banner spots at a time, to ensure near-top placement for all banners (vertical space is very important on PTC sites where the upper-frame takes up a part of it)
The banners must be hosted on HTTPS image providers. For that purpose we can only recommend https://imgur.com/
Banner images must not show any adult content nor have annoying flashing images or colors.

The page is still in Beta phase because we still need to integrate it with our advertisement ordering form.
Till then orders are processed manually.
Those interested please send me a PM.

Pricing for 468x60 & 728x90 banners
1 day      $4.99
3 days      $9.99
7 days      $22.99
14 days      $44.99
30 days      $89.99
90 days      $249.99
180 days      $449.99
365 days      $799.99


Edit: corrected decimals delimiter.
Edit2: modified pricing.

rotate4all.com wrote on 16^th Jan, 2020 at 11:41am:

Pricing for 468x60 banners 1 day      $4,99 3 days      $9,99 . .

I suggest you change the "," to ".". As in $4.99, $9.99, etc. Just some constructive advice.

rotate4all.com wrote on 16^th Jan, 2020 at 11:41am:

Introducing: banner advertising (beta) https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/banners.php A dedicated page for banner advertising, taking up a permanent 10 slots in our rotator (that's at least 100k impressions/day).

That looks good! Nice and clean and simple.


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(vertical space is very important on PTC sites where the upper-frame takes up a part of it)

This sounds familiar SS.  [smiley=lolx.gif]

Yep. We call it prime real estate (PRE) around here. What the customer sees the moment they click on the page

Questions


-You don't want flashing images but are any animated banners allowed? If so, I guess it is up to the discretion of the admin to decide if it is annoying?

-So you will approve all the banners? You might want to make it so people can upload the banners to the page so that they don't need to fetch the images from a third-party source (plus, it keeps them from switching banners after approval). I understand that it greatly increases loading speed (with 8 banners on the page, the odds of one being a slow loader are pretty good). You might want to experiment with that

-You might want to give people the option for text links

-And what about click tracking? That is actually a good marketing tool for your members so it will make them happy. If they see views/clicks on your banners, they will probably want to click on the popular ones. (people always want to go with the popular ones thinking it will make them popular)


-another thing you might want to try is giving members banner impressions instead of cash for showing that page. Give them the option to gain impressions or cash, or to cash the impressions in. Be generous though. They will reward you if you give 50% or greater. Once again, you might want to experiment.

I'm not sure I'll do it yet. I'm kind of limiting my advertising spending these days and focusing on just turning a profit but I think this will be very lucrative for you. I hope you do well with it. You are very much one of the good guys in our industry. I assume you are also becoming an employer and providing jobs too?  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Animated banners are allowed of course. I would consider "annoying" those flashing banners we've all seen so many times around PTCs.
Yes the banners would be manually approved the same way like all rotator-advertising orders. This is necessary to weed out ads which would go against our terms.
We won't upload banners to our server. Since it's located in the US it won't benefit anyone except US visitors. Therefore we recommend Imgur because they're using several CDNs around the world to show images. Switching/replacing an image once uploaded to Imgur is impossible.
The page isn't slow at all. Here's the latest speedtest with all 8 images loaded from imgur: https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.rotate4all.com/I0tZ505r
Any subsequent visits would be even faster as all static content including banner images would load from the browser's cache.
Text links? Don't think so, at least not at this time.
Click tracking is something that will be implemented asap of course. The goal is to show total impressions & clicks for each banner separately, as well as total visitors sent to the banner advertising page.
Paying users with banners impressions and/or cash is a good idea, noted.

Thank you for your questions/suggestions. Much appreciated!

rotate4all.com wrote on 16^th Jan, 2020 at 9:32pm:

We won't upload banners to our server. Since it's located in the US it won't benefit anyone except US visitors. Therefore we recommend Imgur because they're using several CDNs around the world to show images. Switching/replacing an image once uploaded to Imgur is impossible. The page isn't slow at all. Here's the latest speedtest with all 8 images loaded from imgur: https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.rotate4all.com/I0tZ505r Any subsequent visits would be even faster as all static content including banner images would load from the browser's cache.

Good to hear regarding animated banners.

Even though you recommend using Imgur, not all will. Some will just use the affiliate banners from a site. As more sites become https compliant this will be the path of least resistance, which is where most customers will go. I'm not saying it will happen but you could become dependent on the speeds of those sites and their speeds. I'm just letting you know because I have seen it happen. Maybe the net has taken care of the issue and it doesn't happen anymore:dontknow

That's not an issue really as I have explained images get cached by the user's browser. So it would only take "ages" to load on the first visit (if at all), while subsequent visits would load all images instantly from the cache, regardless of their size or where they're hosted.

moneymarketing wrote on 17^th Jan, 2020 at 7:01am:

Even though you recommend using Imgur, not all will. Some will just use the affiliate banners from a site. As more sites become https compliant this will be the path of least resistance, which is where most customers will go.

To be really honest with you Rotate4All, I think he does have a point. Some may go "the only way I could use a banner in the program is to use Imgur? Ugh..." Although it's your call. You could give it a try and see how it goes.

I never said that they MUST use Imgur. I've said that I only recommend Imgur for hosting images.
Obviously you can host it wherever you want to as long as it's on a secure HTTPS connection it'd be just fine.

rotate4all.com wrote on 17^th Jan, 2020 at 3:12pm:

I never said that they MUST use Imgur. I've said that I only recommend Imgur for hosting images. Obviously you can host it wherever you want to as long as it's on a secure HTTPS connection it'd be just fine.

Do they allow using commercial images on their site or is it sort of a grey area?

I'm not aware of any such restrictions.

Stats are live: https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/banners.php

Now tracking impressions and clicks for each banner individually.

Unlike other sites where you pay for impressions which nobody actually sees, we are counting only "true impressions", meaning only those which are visible to the user or scrolled to are counted as an impression, otherwise the impression is not counted.
Impressions, clicks and CTR are displayed under each banner while hovering over them with the mouse pointer.

That's it for now regarding stats. Moving on to setting up the order form.
If anyone's got more suggestions I'm all ears (or eyes).

rotate4all.com wrote on 17^th Jan, 2020 at 3:12pm:

I never said that they MUST use Imgur. I've said that I only recommend Imgur for hosting images. Obviously you can host it wherever you want to as long as it's on a secure HTTPS connection it'd be just fine.

Sorry for misunderstanding. That's good to know.

rotate4all.com wrote on 17^th Jan, 2020 at 9:05pm:

Stats are live: https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/banners.php Now tracking impressions and clicks for each banner individually. Unlike other sites where you pay for impressions which nobody actually sees, we are counting only "true impressions", meaning only those which are visible to the user or scrolled to are counted as an impression, otherwise the impression is not counted. Impressions, clicks and CTR are displayed under each banner while hovering over them with the mouse pointer. That's it for now regarding stats. Moving on to setting up the order form. If anyone's got more suggestions I'm all ears (or eyes).

Huge page views. Impressive  :o

We noticed the top spot gets the most exposure so we decided to remove the separate pricing for the 728x90 banners as those would get an unfair advantage over the rest as they were only 2 big banners in rotation which meant 50% of the time one of two got the top spot.

So in turn we'll have only one type of pricing regardless of the banner size (468x60 OR 728x90) and all of the 8 banners get their fair share of the top spot in a rotating manner.
Obviously the banners get automatically resized (enlarged or shrinked) to their spot size, regardless of the banner size submitted.

While the spot does matter quite a bit, the banner design plays the ultimate role in getting a high CTR.
So custom banners are a must if you want good results.

rotate4all.com wrote on 18^th Jan, 2020 at 12:57pm:

We noticed the top spot gets the most exposure so we decided to remove the separate pricing for the 728x90 banners as those would get an unfair advantage over the rest as they were only 2 big banners in rotation which meant 50% of the time one of two got the top spot. So in turn we'll have only one type of pricing regardless of the banner size (468x60 OR 728x90) and all of the 8 banners get their fair share of the top spot in a rotating manner. Obviously the banners get automatically resized (enlarged or shrinked) to their spot size, regardless of the banner size submitted. While the spot does matter quite a bit, the banner design plays the ultimate role in getting a high CTR. So custom banners are a must if you want good results.

Yes, and it is not just about the quality of the design though that is important. It is about conveying a key benefit or message to your target audience. So many just focus on high-end imagery and not targeting their audience with their first filter

Getting them to click through is job one. Once they do that, then you need to keep them following through at least until you have some sort of contact info from them so you can follow up. That way you can lead them to join or buy what you are selling

Nice design!

The whole project brings back so many good memories.. :)

I will definitely try your banners service soon!

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Jan, 2020 at 3:51pm:

Nice design! The whole project brings back so many good memories.. :) I will definitely try your banners service soon!

The only thing that is keeping me from doing it is that I don't really have anything to advertise. PV and PTCS are turning a profit for me with the advertising I have. They pay out based on being a top referrer. The commission return is not very good so there is not a lot of incentive to build on the advertising.

DLF does not give a very good rate of referral signups. I don't know if there is still a glitch in their system or not but it isn't worth the current cost. Once we get to the point where we have a few shares in our accounts then the compounding can begin but until then, it is throwing money away

other than that, there is no other site that will create a good ROI. So, even though the deal is good, there is not much to plug into it these days.

Referring sure has fallen off a cliff lately  :-/

Can you guys guess what's coming back?
The one who gets it right first, gets $5 credited to their r4a account balance.  [smiley=12-party.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 9^th Apr, 2020 at 7:04pm:

Can you guys guess what's coming back? The one who gets it right first, gets $5 credited to their r4a account balance.  [smiley=12-party.gif]

Contests?

It's PayPal!  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]
https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=46

rotate4all.com wrote on 10^th Apr, 2020 at 11:51am:

It's PayPal!  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif] https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=46

Whoa! That's unbelievable. Maybe PP is getting desperate for business with everyone moving to BTC payments and they are actually willing to come back to our industry.

Are you sure you want to trust them? They did that to paidverts where they let them back in the door and then locked down their funds a second time. Make sure the bank account connected to them is the only thing it is connected to and keeps a functionally minimal amount of money in it

This is great though. Now I have a place to spend my DLF earnings. They pay in PP but, unless you want to go through the hassle of converting via AirTM, there were not too many legitimate traffic sites that took PP

That is such good news I've decided to pay you $10 and buy three days worth of banners  :)

Yeah, we got their prior approval before doing this.

This time however there is really 0 risk involved for both us and PayPal because we are only paying people through our PayPal account with the money straight from our bank account, while receiving payments is done through other payment methods (linked to the same bank account of course). So no risk of disputes/chargebacks and all that :censored. It's a win-win really! :)

Thanks for your order, you got in just in time as now it's full for the next couple days.

And hey, man! Do us all a favor. Eliminate the middle man and allow us to convert earnings straight to advertising.

You are now back on the front burner as my main ad source apart from paidverts (which pays me to advertise)

We can do that, manually for now though, until I have the time to get a button implemented for that purpose. So if you'd like to advertise using your account balance just drop me an e-mail or send a message via the Contact us page.

rotate4all.com wrote on 10^th Apr, 2020 at 1:22pm:

We can do that, manually for now though, until I have the time to get a button implemented for that purpose. So if you'd like to advertise using your account balance just drop me an e-mail or send a message via the Contact us page.

I'll keep that in mind for the future

Thanks  [smiley=12-party.gif]

WOW!

4 referrals for apple PTC in one hour from the banner ad at R4A.  :o

That's what I call effective advertising  :money

rotate4all.com wrote on 10^th Apr, 2020 at 11:51am:

It's PayPal!  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif] https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=46

Thanks for all you do for the program R4A!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 10^th Apr, 2020 at 3:10pm:

WOW! 4 referrals for apple PTC in one hour from the banner ad at R4A.  :o That's what I call effective advertising  :money

That's good to know! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I just want to say that this is probably the best advertising for marketing sites out there. It is very close but when you compare price and the recent move by R4A to only pay sites for forced ad viewing, the value and quality went way up.

Apart from all the free advertising I'll get, if I have to pay for advertising, I'll probably only choose one of four options now

R4A
PTCS
Paidverts
Neobux

and probably in that order

For banners, the four remain and I'll add Adhitz to that lot

Adhitz is probably the top because you pay per click and it doesn't seem to be abused. Plus their network ads appeal to a very broad base of advertisers. R4A does as well with their banner service so those are 1 and 2 on my list for banner advertising

Neo, PV, and PTCS have such large traffic flow to clickers and marketers that they are economical on that basis alone

None of these are cheap to get in on the bottom rung but if you want quality results, you need to pay for it.

If you don't get results using those sources I would more likely argue that it is what you are advertising as opposed to the traffic sources

The PTP user Statistics page is getting an important upgrade: VALID VISITS BREAKDOWN. The additional data is already being collected starting from Today.
On the "TODAY/YESTERDAY/CURRENT WEEK/PREVIOUS WEEK" pages you'll soon start seeing an additional table showing the VALID visits breakdown per domain name, same way the INVALID ones are currently displayed.

Valid visits breakdown will include: TOTAL VALID / UNIQUE / NON1 / NON2 / NON3 / NON4, where UNIQUE & NON1/2/3 will represent each of their own respective pay rates, while NON4 will include all non-unique visits between the 4th and 12th.

Even though we're adding more data, the Statistics page will be faster as the data will be loaded gradually (on demand) whereas now it's loaded all at once.

rotate4all.com wrote on 20^th Apr, 2020 at 9:50am:

The PTP user Statistics page is getting an important upgrade: VALID VISITS BREAKDOWN. The additional data is already being collected starting from Today. On the "TODAY/YESTERDAY/CURRENT WEEK/PREVIOUS WEEK" pages you'll soon start seeing an additional table showing the VALID visits breakdown per domain name, same way the INVALID ones are currently displayed. Valid visits breakdown will include: TOTAL VALID / UNIQUE / NON1 / NON2 / NON3 / NON4, where UNIQUE & NON1/2/3 will represent each of their own respective pay rates, while NON4 will include all non-unique visits between the 4th and 12th. Even though we're adding more data, the Statistics page will be faster as the data will be loaded gradually (on demand) whereas now it's loaded all at once.

You're doing a fantastic job with the site. I assume you have tons of plans for its growth. I look forward to growing along with it  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Finally we finished the new layout and ran multiple scenario tests on both the backend and frontend so now all we need is wait until we have at least 1 week's worth of new data.
If everything goes fine, we'll have it live on Monday.

Here's a peak of the upcoming layout:
https://youtu.be/gTGrIPq3YOI

Any suggestions? Criticism is welcome as well.
Thanks!

rotate4all.com wrote on 22^nd Apr, 2020 at 2:50pm:

Finally we finished the new layout and ran multiple scenario tests on both the backend and frontend so now all we need is wait until we have at least 1 week's worth of new data. If everything goes fine, we'll have it live on Monday. Here's a peak of the upcoming layout: https://youtu.be/gTGrIPq3YOI Any suggestions? Criticism is welcome as well. Thanks!

That's a great job there!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Since suggestions are open, if there's something I would add, it's the ability to display results based on trackers as well, instead of just domains.

For example it would be nice if we could be able to use an additional parameter in our promote links:


Code (]https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/?r=Username&tracker=Grid
https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/?r=Username&tracker=PTC
https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/?r=Username&tracker=AnotherCampaign[/code):

Then at the results table where valid/invalid hits are displayed, it could also show something like this based on where the traffic comes from but also include the specific campaign: [code]program-one.com[Grid] program-one.com[PTC] program-one.com[AnotherCampaign] program-two.com[Grid] program-two.com[PTC] program-two.com[AnotherCampaign]

This way promoters will know which of many simultaneous campaigns provide better results, and focus their efforts there.
It's something we've seen on several programs and helps us identify the most effective advertising methods instead of having to run only one at a time, because the timing also matters.

Unfortunately our PTP links do not accept any additional parameters in their current form mainly due to security reasons. It's always a great risk to pass random user input to the DB which is why we take great care when doing so.

Nevertheless we could implement a set of predefined parameters such as GRID[1-9], PTC[1-9], TE[1-9] and so on from which you'd be able to choose by selecting from a predefined list of special PTP links (already pre-coded with the above parameters), each with its own stats reflected on your Statistics page.
As it doesn't require much technical modifications, I think it's something that might just get to see the light of day. No promises though.
Thanks for your suggestion. Noted and added to our to-do-list.

rotate4all.com wrote on 22^nd Apr, 2020 at 10:34pm:

Unfortunately our PTP links do not accept any additional parameters in their current form mainly due to security reasons. It's always a great risk to pass random user input to the DB which is why we take great care when doing so. Nevertheless we could implement a set of predefined parameters such as GRID[1-9], PTC[1-9], TE[1-9] and so on from which you'd be able to choose by selecting from a predefined list of special PTP links (already pre-coded with the above parameters), each with its own stats reflected on your Statistics page. As it doesn't require much technical modifications, I think it's something that might just get to see the light of day. No promises though. Thanks for your suggestion. Noted and added to our to-do-list.

Just validating alphanumeric input [a-z0-9] should be sufficient, while providing predefined options may require even more work to implement.

Well, you know your script better so you'll figure out what's most secure for it.

Glad to help! :)

Alphanumeric validation is not enough against SQL injection as hex encoded payloads could still get through. Never rely solely on regex.
The whitelist method of having the user choose from a predefined list doesn't require any regex validation, except to see if the input can be found in the array of whitelisted inputs, which is pretty straightforward as a simple in_array("needle", $haystack); I always prefer SECURE over FAST.

The upgrades look good. Being able to sort the columns will probably be a great feature

One idea I had is the option to extend campaigns.

I don't know if you want current advertisers to monopolize your rotator but it might be a great 'upsell' option. A button beside your link that says extend. That takes you to the sales page

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Apr, 2020 at 10:55pm:

One idea I had is the option to extend campaigns. I don't know if you want current advertisers to monopolize your rotator but it might be a great 'upsell' option. A button beside your link that says extend. That takes you to the sales page

My reasoning for this is that it makes it as easy as possible to renew even before it expires.

If there is high demand for the rotator, people might want to jump in early to maintain their position. Also, this saves you and them the work of having to resubmit the same webpage for approval and placement

Thank you for your suggestion. It's a good one, however advertisers already have the option to extend their ads, albeit manually but all it requires is to send an e-mail and complete a payment.
Our regular customers always do it this way.

To have a button on-site where anyone can place an order extension request represents a security issue. Like for example, what's stopping you from "extending" some other guy's order while asking for a link change soon after. I know it might seem unlikely but it happened before. That's why even for extending an advertisement, I only follow-up to the e-mail address associated with that order, preferably by replying to the order confirmation e-mail.

rotate4all.com wrote on 29^th Apr, 2020 at 11:43pm:

Thank you for your suggestion. It's a good one, however advertisers already have the option to extend their ads, albeit manually but all it requires is to send an e-mail and complete a payment. Our regular customers always do it this way. To have a button on-site where anyone can place an order extension request represents a security issue. Like for example, what's stopping you from "extending" some other guy's order while asking for a link change soon after. I know it might seem unlikely but it happened before. That's why even for extending an advertisement, I only follow-up to the e-mail address associated with that order, preferably by replying to the order confirmation e-mail.

I don't know if it is technically feasible but I was thinking the button would only be visible to the member who owned the ad, not others

For that to work as intended would require a members-only area. That is already planned and will include order history with past order results.

We've just implemented a major upgrade in our PTP validation system, which now gives us a much better accuracy in detecting Mobile devices and in return you'd be getting a better valid vs invalid ratio. We estimate an increase in valid ratios from an average of 85% to at least 88%, mostly by reducing the "Invalid 3" ones.

rotate4all.com wrote on 3^rd May, 2020 at 6:07pm:

We've just implemented a major upgrade in our PTP validation system, which now gives us a much better accuracy in detecting Mobile devices and in return you'd be getting a better valid vs invalid ratio. We estimate an increase in valid ratios from an average of 85% to at least 88%, mostly by reducing the "Invalid 3" ones.

That's good to know Ivan! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Every little bit helps

I just had 500+ referrals purged!  :-?

There is a notice on the inactive downline list page:
Inactive referrals are users from your downline who had their account temporarily suspended.
Permanently suspended referrals are automatically removed from this list.

It's pointless to keep permanently suspended referrals in your downline list as those accounts cannot be restored anymore, as described in our terms.

Why the sudden change? Earlier Today we've noticed that the automatic clean-up script last ran ages ago. So after fixing that, it finally did its job in removing permanently suspended account.

It's just a routine clean-up, nothing to be worried about.

We've just surpassed 100k in total payments sent to our users.
I'll just stop for a second and have a beer to mark this occasion.  [smiley=11-freebeer.gif]

Next up, a complete site redesign with a modern codebase template. We'll just call it r4a.V2 for now.
Here's a glimpse of what's coming, starting with a complete redesign of our Advertise page: https://www.rotate4all.com/advertise/index.html
It's not fully functional yet, but we'll get there soon.
The keywords as always, are: simple, fast & straight to the point.

rotate4all.com wrote on 11^th May, 2020 at 10:06pm:

We've just surpassed 100k in total payments sent to our users. I'll just stop for a second and have a beer to mark this occasion.  [smiley=11-freebeer.gif] Next up, a complete site redesign with a modern codebase template. We'll just call it r4a.V2 for now. Here's a glimpse of what's coming, starting with a complete redesign of our Advertise page: https://www.rotate4all.com/advertise/index.html It's not fully functional yet, but we'll get there soon. The keywords as always, are: simple, fast & straight to the point.

I'll drink with ya! [smiley=beer.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 11^th May, 2020 at 10:06pm:

We've just surpassed 100k in total payments sent to our users. I'll just stop for a second and have a beer to mark this occasion.  [smiley=11-freebeer.gif] Next up, a complete site redesign with a modern codebase template. We'll just call it r4a.V2 for now. Here's a glimpse of what's coming, starting with a complete redesign of our Advertise page: https://www.rotate4all.com/advertise/index.html It's not fully functional yet, but we'll get there soon. The keywords as always, are: simple, fast & straight to the point.

Congrats!

I'm glad to have been a recipient of $700+ of those funds.  :money

Your success is a sign that you are treating your customers and the community right. To your further success  [smiley=12-party.gif]

Big congrats there!  [smiley=12-party.gif]

I'm sitting at $167.82 in past cashouts out of that amount and hopefully I'll get back on track soon..

Keep up the great work!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Hello, my name is Melania and I am from Romania, I am new in rotate4all, I just registered to thank the person who opened this forum page, I entered rotate4all through referral and it was very sad my referral did not help me with any suggestions, any question for him is a waste of time, I hope to learn from everything you have written here more. Wish good look for all  :)

Melania wrote on 12^th May, 2020 at 8:36pm:

Hello, my name is Melania and I am from Romania, I am new in rotate4all, I just registered to thank the person who opened this forum page, I entered rotate4all through referral and it was very sad my referral did not help me with any suggestions, any question for him is a waste of time, I hope to learn from everything you have written here more. Wish good look for all  :)

Hi Melania,

Welcome to the Forum. Hope you make a good use of it or find it helpful. Stay around. I'm sure you will also eventually hear from other members of the Forum. :)

Melania wrote on 12^th May, 2020 at 8:36pm:

Hello, my name is Melania and I am from Romania, I am new in rotate4all, I just registered to thank the person who opened this forum page, I entered rotate4all through referral and it was very sad my referral did not help me with any suggestions, any question for him is a waste of time, I hope to learn from everything you have written here more. Wish good look for all  :)

[smiley=00-welcome.gif]

Any questions, just ask. We'll be glad to help

you might want to go to the introduction section found here and tell a bit about yourself. Specifically about your online earnings plans and what you have learned. This is not to pry but so we can learn your goals, needs, and experience and maybe help you along your path to those goals.

And maybe you might even teach us a few things. That would be great too.

Melania wrote on 12^th May, 2020 at 8:36pm:

Hello, my name is Melania and I am from Romania, I am new in rotate4all, I just registered to thank the person who opened this forum page, I entered rotate4all through referral and it was very sad my referral did not help me with any suggestions, any question for him is a waste of time, I hope to learn from everything you have written here more. Wish good look for all  :)

Well hello there, and welcome to X-PTCBox! :)

Our main goal here is to gain from the advantage of being part of a team while earning from online opportunities.

As you may have noticed this thread holds a discussion regarding Rotate4All.com, and to our advantage R4A admin also actively participates in it, so in case you have any questions about the program, I'm sure he'd also be glad to help you as well.

If your referrer did not bother helping you that's his fault, being a bad sponsor is very un-professional..

Please let us know if there's anything we can help you with!

[smiley=00-welcome.gif]

Thank you much for the answer, for now I'm a beginner and I just surfing the site, in the future I would have liked to know on which site I could promote rotate4all, from now I only use easyhits4u :)

Melania wrote on 13^th May, 2020 at 12:25am:

Thank you much for the answer, for now I'm a beginner and I just surfing the site, in the future I would have liked to know on which site I could promote rotate4all, from now I only use easyhits4u :)

If you go to your Dashboard in your account you can click where it says "TOP Traffic" in the following sentence to see a list of programs you could promote rotate4all at:

"Check out where others are promoting on our TOP Traffic page."

Thank you much!  :)

dansbanners wrote on 13^th May, 2020 at 12:58am:

If you go to your Dashboard in your account you can click where it says "TOP Traffic" in the following sentence to see a list of programs you could promote rotate4all at: "Check out where others are promoting on our TOP Traffic page."

What? I've never seen that before  ;D

There you go. Something for us old dogs to learn, too  :)

Melania wrote on 13^th May, 2020 at 12:25am:

Thank you much for the answer, for now I'm a beginner and I just surfing the site, in the future I would have liked to know on which site I could promote rotate4all, from now I only use easyhits4u :)

If you look in this section you'll see the programs we are active in and discussing. Usually, the ones we are more actively discussing are the ones in which we find the most success.

moneymarketing wrote on 13^th May, 2020 at 8:24am:

What? I've never seen that before  ;D There you go. Something for us old dogs to learn, too  :)

That's good to know moneymarketing. :)

Finally the Advertise pages have been updated with the new layout.
Check it out: https://www.rotate4all.com/advertise/
Next up: applying the new template to our Publisher program as well.

rotate4all.com wrote on 21^st May, 2020 at 11:07pm:

Finally the Advertise pages have been updated with the new layout. Check it out: https://www.rotate4all.com/advertise/ Next up: applying the new template to our Publisher program as well.

Nice look

Somehow two weeks ago, I got  a new referral in R4A coming from Paidverts, that is now active granting ~$0.08 daily!  :o

Funny thing is I wasn't running campaigns on PV at that time, so I have no idea how it happened..  :dontknow

The referral cookie (set either by your PTP or referral link) is valid for 60 days, including the source where the referral cookie was set in the first place, provided it doesn't get deleted or rewritten by another one. So if a given user signs up within that time frame, he/she becomes your referral.

rotate4all.com wrote on 30^th May, 2020 at 5:36pm:

The referral cookie (set either by your PTP or referral link) is valid for 60 days, including the source where the referral cookie was set in the first place, provided it doesn't get deleted or rewritten by another one. So if a given user signs up within that time frame, he/she becomes your referral.

I've noticed that too at many sites. The dormant cookie issue

That is why it is better sometimes to run big campaigns because you get in people's cookie database.

If they do a search for the site on google and then come to the home page without a referrer, will the cookie still be active or does it default to the admin?

There is no "default to admin" on our site. The referral cookie can only be either rewritten by a different referral/PTP link OR deleted by the user. Therefore if a user comes to our site through a search engine, then he/she will be signed in accordance to the user who last referred him/her to our site through the cookie stored in the browser. If there is no referral cookie, then the user will be unreferred (registered without any upline).

Due to popular demand, we have considered implementing Youtube Video advertising.
However there were quite a few problems to solve:
1) youtube videos cannot be displayed inside iframes, unless embedded
2) if we embed the videos, then the visitor would not see the description section at all (only the actual video), so there is no way to get leads or subscribers thus it defeats the purpose
3) the autoplay feature is not consistent across all browsers

Our approach was to copy youtube's design as much as possible (maintaining it fully responsive), while providing a way for users to interact with the links from the video's description as well as a way to get subscribers.

Here's a few videos in action while embedded on our platform with the Youtube API:
https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/videos.php?o=1
https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/videos.php?o=2
https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/videos.php?o=3
https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/videos.php?o=4
https://www.rotate4all.com/promo/videos.php?o=5

As you can see, the page is like a minimal version of Youtube where the TITLE & DESCRIPTION sections as well as the SUBSCRIBE button are working exactly the same way as if you were on the Youtube website. The links in the Description section are automatically parsed, including social media links.
The Autoplay is still a 50-50 shot to being triggered automatically due to browser/adblocker restrictions, but unfortunately there is no sure way to force autoplay.

But even so I think we have a solid product at hand. What do you guys think? Worth a shot in taking it live? Thanks.

rotate4all.com wrote on 1^st Jun, 2020 at 11:35am:

As you can see, the page is like a minimal version of Youtube where the TITLE & DESCRIPTION sections as well as the SUBSCRIBE button are working exactly the same way as if you were on the Youtube website. The links in the Description section are automatically parsed, including social media links. The Autoplay is still a 50-50 shot to being triggered automatically due to browser/adblocker restrictions, but unfortunately there is no sure way to force autoplay. But even so I think we have a solid product at hand. What do you guys think? Worth a shot in taking it live? Thanks.

That might create lot of negative backlash. Many people do not like videos. They steal bandwidth and can sometimes explode in our hearing. My script blocker is set up to block videos from playing automatically. Will these play automatically? I can't tell using my browser

There are already video ads being advertised in our rotator (while embedded on various sites), quite effectively from what I've been told. Having a few extra videos in rotation wouldn't hurt.
Yes, the goal is to have the videos play automatically, however due to modern browser restrictions that won't work especially if you're using script/adblockers setup for that purpose. Interested users will click on the Play button, at least one time. In any case, even if the video is blocked, the content in the video description will still show.

Nonetheless, the goal here is to create a medium where people can have leads/sales simply by promoting their Youtube video on our platform, by displaying the links in the video description to our visitors, through which they could get conversions either through sales or by gaining extra subscribers to their Youtube channel.

rotate4all.com wrote on 1^st Jun, 2020 at 7:18pm:

There are already video ads being advertised in our rotator (while embedded on various sites), quite effectively from what I've been told. Having a few extra videos in rotation wouldn't hurt. Yes, the goal is to have the videos play automatically, however due to modern browser restrictions that won't work especially if you're using script/adblockers setup for that purpose. Interested users will click on the Play button, at least one time. In any case, even if the video is blocked, the content in the video description will still show. Nonetheless, the goal here is to create a medium where people can have leads/sales simply by promoting their Youtube video on our platform, by displaying the links in the video description to our visitors, through which they could get conversions either through sales or by gaining extra subscribers to their Youtube channel.

So you save them the step of building their own webpage or splash page? I can see how that would be hugely lucrative. Especially if the youtube market gets wind of it. Could you also make the video display available to other video formats and not just youtube?

It's not exactly their own splash page as they cannot edit it. The videos and all related information (title, description, subscribe button) are automatically fetched from Youtube and displayed in a manner that's friendly with GPT sites.
Youtube is just the start. We could extend this to Vimeo or Dailymotion or whatever else sites which allow embedding videos, if demand exists of course.

Pointing the majority of my traffic at R4A is creating some nice synergy for me

rotate4all.com wrote on 2^nd Jun, 2020 at 7:53am:

It's not exactly their own splash page as they cannot edit it. The videos and all related information (title, description, subscribe button) are automatically fetched from Youtube and displayed in a manner that's friendly with GPT sites. Youtube is just the start. We could extend this to Vimeo or Dailymotion or whatever else sites which allow embedding videos, if demand exists of course.

You might want to think about having a splash page builder at the site like easyhits4U does. Let people build their own page that is automatically inserted into the rotator. If they set up a splash page that is shown on other sites, you can use a bar to show your banners there

I wonder how many people only have links or would want to get away from the standard affiliate page?

Splash pages might seem a good idea but I consider them a waste of server resources (which can be easily abused btw), as such that's not an option I would pursue. Besides, I don't like the idea of inserting banners along with any of our Advertiser's content either. I believe that if an Advertiser pays us to promote their links, then it would not be fair to insert other ads anywhere near their content as that would take away the visitors' attention and they wouldn't get the best results.

...Which leads to our upcoming crackdown on PTC/TE sites (scheduled to take place in the near future) where more than 1 row of banners are displayed in the top frame above our content, as such sites will be marked as invalid sources due to the low-quality traffic they provide. It's the PTC site owners getting too greedy and we want to put a stop to that.

rotate4all.com wrote on 2^nd Jun, 2020 at 11:08pm:

Splash pages might seem a good idea but I consider them a waste of server resources (which can be easily abused btw), as such that's not an option I would pursue. Besides, I don't like the idea of inserting banners along with any of our Advertiser's content either. I believe that if an Advertiser pays us to promote their links, then it would not be fair to insert other ads anywhere near their content as that would take away the visitors' attention and they wouldn't get the best results. ...Which leads to our upcoming crackdown on PTC/TE sites (scheduled to take place in the near future) where more than 1 row of banners are displayed in the top frame above our content, as such sites will be marked as invalid sources due to the low-quality traffic they provide. It's the PTC site owners getting too greedy and we want to put a stop to that.

I wish more POs would work for their members like that.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Many are just in it to make money for themselves and consider the rest of us suckers

So, I tested the url rotator yesterday with DLF and here are my stats (on the R4A side):


Quote:

Visits: 11497 Start date & time: 2020-07-28 14:10:00 (GMT+2) End date & time: 2020-07-29 12:38:00 (GMT+2) Duration: 0.94 Days

In my case these were overall good results as they were delivered within a day and the cost was just $5.

I wonder however, is there a reason for ~2.5 hours to be deducted from the package?
I could not find it mentioned anywhere on the site and was only notified about it after purchasing it.

Also does that multiply when purchasing longer durations or is it just that no matter the package length?
If so it would be more meaningfull to purchase longer duration packages for the best value for money.

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 4:12pm:

So, I tested the url rotator yesterday with DLF and here are my stats (on the R4A side): In my case these were overall good results as they were delivered within a day and the cost was just $5. I wonder however, is there a reason for ~2.5 hours to be deducted from the package? I could not find it mentioned anywhere on the site and was only notified about it after purchasing it. Also does that multiply when purchasing longer durations or is it just that no matter the package length? If so it would be more meaningfull to purchase longer duration packages for the best value for money.

Yes, if you want to ace the referral contest R4A or Neobucks is the way to go

If you want to win two referral contests, then buy your R4A clicks about a week before the end of the first referral contest and let it run through the second (2-week ad purchase in this example)

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 4:12pm:

So, I tested the url rotator I wonder however, is there a reason for ~2.5 hours to be deducted from the package?

That's odd and a first. Thanks for reporting.

After looking into it, it seems some part of our order processing page was cached and remained cached in the browser at 12:38, but your order was actually processed (and started) at 14:10, hence the time discrepancy. Client side caching often does more good than bad unfortunately.

Since this glitch (which has never occurred till now) has negatively impacted your advertising campaign, I'm willing to throw in another day as bonus. You'll receive your bonus order information via e-mail shortly.

Once again, sorry. We've now made some changes so that this won't happen again.

rotate4all.com wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 10:33pm:

That's odd and a first. Thanks for reporting. After looking into it, it seems some part of our order processing page was cached and remained cached in the browser at 12:38, but your order was actually processed (and started) at 14:10, hence the time discrepancy. Client side caching often does more good than bad unfortunately. Since this glitch (which has never occurred till now) has negatively impacted your advertising campaign, I'm willing to throw in another day as bonus. You'll receive your bonus order information via e-mail shortly. Once again, sorry. We've now made some changes so that this won't happen again.

That's cool. You should definitely win the contest now, SS.  :D

rotate4all.com wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 10:33pm:

That's odd and a first. Thanks for reporting. After looking into it, it seems some part of our order processing page was cached and remained cached in the browser at 12:38, but your order was actually processed (and started) at 14:10, hence the time discrepancy. Client side caching often does more good than bad unfortunately. Since this glitch (which has never occurred till now) has negatively impacted your advertising campaign, I'm willing to throw in another day as bonus. You'll receive your bonus order information via e-mail shortly. Once again, sorry. We've now made some changes so that this won't happen again.

Wow, many thanks, that's way more over-delivering than normal..  [smiley=z01-thanx.gif]

See MM and Rui.. you're not the only ones here capable of breaking things!  :P

moneymarketing wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 11:40pm:

That's cool. You should definitely win the contest now, SS.  :D

Yeap, it's already in my pocket! 8-)

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th Jul, 2020 at 11:52pm:

Yeap, it's already in my pocket! 8-)

Ha! Ha!

Experience tells me that you should never count that smartas12 guy out. It ain't over until it is over!  ;D

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Jul, 2020 at 1:09am:

Ha! Ha! Experience tells me that you should never count that smartas12 guy out. It ain't over until it is over!  ;D

Well, I'm paying close attention to the standings every hour, so I'll make sure to stay ahead.

I have some stand by credits to give further push to my campaigns, just in case.

I moved my final post as I think the discussion on the DLF contest is better off to its dedicated thread.. :)

Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.

Can you confirm?

I'm seeing just under 1 cent in daily revenue for every ten referrals. Is this about average through your system?

Actually the average is even less than that, unfortunately.
Top promoters (usually GPT site owners) do earn more from referrals by constantly referring new people. I've seen sums between 0.02-0.04 for every 10 referrals. However these values may be even less if we wouldn't have removed permanently suspended referrals from users downline.

The problem in this industry is people that sign-up (usually kids) quickly lose interest and quit shortly after. Believe it or not that's what human referrals do. Sites that rent or sell referrals know this very well.
Like for our program where you can earn up to $0.40/day just for surfing ads (allowed including from mobile devices) you'd think we'd have a lot of users surfing daily right? Well that lot is usually between 500-600 unique surfers per day, which is so depressing that sometimes I'm thinking of removing the Surf module altogether if it weren't for the good sign-up rates it generates for our advertisers.

It's easy to capture the user's interest. But it's :censored hard to keep him from losing said interest.

rotate4all.com wrote on 6^th Aug, 2020 at 8:34am:

Like for our program where you can earn up to $0.40/day just for surfing ads (allowed including from mobile devices) you'd think we'd have a lot of users surfing daily right? Well that lot is usually between 500-600 unique surfers per day, which is so depressing that sometimes I'm thinking of removing the Surf module altogether if it weren't for the good sign-up rates it generates for our advertisers.

Maybe it'll help if you make the surfing go back to the way it was. That is being able to click on the icon after placing the cursor next to it just once. Without having to move the cursor twice in order to click on it. Otherwise, that's just making the surfing process more tedious than it has to be. JMHO.

rotate4all.com wrote on 6^th Aug, 2020 at 8:34am:

Actually the average is even less than that, unfortunately. Top promoters (usually GPT site owners) do earn more from referrals by constantly referring new people. I've seen sums between 0.02-0.04 for every 10 referrals. However these values may be even less if we wouldn't have removed permanently suspended referrals from users downline. The problem in this industry is people that sign-up (usually kids) quickly lose interest and quit shortly after. Believe it or not that's what human referrals do. Sites that rent or sell referrals know this very well. Like for our program where you can earn up to $0.40/day just for surfing ads (allowed including from mobile devices) you'd think we'd have a lot of users surfing daily right? Well that lot is usually between 500-600 unique surfers per day, which is so depressing that sometimes I'm thinking of removing the Surf module altogether if it weren't for the good sign-up rates it generates for our advertisers. It's easy to capture the user's interest. But it's :censored hard to keep him from losing said interest.

It seems I'm doing better than I thought. I guess PTCS and Paidverts provide a pretty good referral flow for your site relative to others. That's good to know.

Yes, I agree with the dead referral issue. It has always been that way. Most people don't want to click and the ones who do quickly grow tired of seeing the same sites over and over again

dansbanners wrote on 6^th Aug, 2020 at 1:27pm:

Maybe it'll help if you make the surfing go back to the way it was. That is being able to click on the icon after placing the cursor next to it just once. Without having to move the cursor twice in order to click on it. Otherwise, that's just making the surfing process more tedious than it has to be. JMHO.

It wasn't any better before that change either. It did however break quite a few autoclicker bots which haven't returned since so for that reason it will remain as it is, for now. Looking at other GPT programs where you have to click an upside down picture, solving math or to click matching pictures (all of which are easily broken by bots) I'd say our solution is much more user-friendly and it doesn't even require extra clicks.

In case you were wondering, I'm building up my balance for an in house purchase. I won't be cashing out a lump sum. So you don't have to hold funds for that. It's not a lot yet but it could grow

I'll email you when I'm ready. I also may extend the PV banner with it too. It has been a fantastic campaign  :)

Sure no problem about the balance you can hold it for as long as you like. If you'd like to use it (or any of it) for a purchase just let me know and we'll work it out.
I'm really glad you're enjoying your banner campaign. Feed-backs are always welcome.  :cool1

rotate4all.com wrote on 3^rd Sep, 2020 at 8:17pm:

Sure no problem about the balance you can hold it for as long as you like. If you'd like to use it (or any of it) for a purchase just let me know and we'll work it out. I'm really glad you're enjoying your banner campaign. Feed-backs are always welcome.  :cool1

My PV valid hit rate is pushing 85% so I am a very happy customer  [smiley=12-party.gif]

I hope to get a big campaign running on PTCS soon too

Just reached another huge milestone: more than 2 BILLION visits to our rotator since November 2013.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 7^th Oct, 2020 at 7:15am:

Just reached another huge milestone: more than 2 BILLION visits to our rotator since November 2013.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Keep awesome-ing!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 7^th Oct, 2020 at 7:15am:

Just reached another huge milestone: more than 2 BILLION visits to our rotator since November 2013.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Impressive. Keep up the good work! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 7^th Oct, 2020 at 7:15am:

Just reached another huge milestone: more than 2 BILLION visits to our rotator since November 2013.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Success is an earned thing. Congrats.

Currently working on displaying additional metrics for our rotator-advertising: to record and display INTERACTIONS and CLICKS as well.

INTERACTIONS = when the visitor subtly interacts in any way with the advertised page (other than clicks), such as mouse scroll or simply moves its cursor anywhere inside the advertised content

CLICKS = is the obvious and most significant metric as it's the one that shows definitive user interest for the advertisers content -- (note that this doesn't mean it's an actual signup as that can only be measured on the advertisement's end which is out of our control)

These stats will be shown on our advertise page next to the existing daily and total visits.
This way advertisers will get a better understanding on what works and what doesn't depending on the visitor's interactions with their content.

No ETA yet, but we made some great progress Today in our testing environment so I would estimate it going live in less than a week from now.

If everything goes according to plan, the next stage of development is to integrate this in our PTP and SURF modules, but with the goal of determining the quality of the visit which will eventually give Publishers extra income bonuses if they provide high quality traffic which yield actual interactions with the advertised content.

And it's already live & collecting data since about an hour ago.
Note that both INTERACTIONS and CLICKS are only recorded once per each visit session. Meaning that regardless how many clicks or interactions a visitor performs, it always gets recorded as one.

rotate4all.com wrote on 11^th Oct, 2020 at 3:03pm:

And it's already live & collecting data since about an hour ago. Note that both INTERACTIONS and CLICKS are only recorded once per each visit session. Meaning that regardless how many clicks or interactions a visitor performs, it always gets recorded as one.

And my earnings just dropped by half or more...

...making the ads very unprofitable  [smiley=sad.gif]

The interactions and clicks metrics are an additional feature to our Advertiser program.
It has nothing to do with the earnings from our Publisher program. Yes, I've indeed mentioned these will be taken into consideration to provide extra earnings some time in the future but are not yet accounted for on that side. When and if such thing will be implemented, it will be announced in our News section.
So if any reason for your earnings drop it's definitely not caused by us as we didn't change anything that would affect earnings on our end.

rotate4all.com wrote on 12^th Oct, 2020 at 1:18pm:

The interactions and clicks metrics are an additional feature to our Advertiser program. It has nothing to do with the earnings from our Publisher program. Yes, I've indeed mentioned these will be taken into consideration to provide extra earnings some time in the future but are not yet accounted for on that side. When and if such thing will be implemented, it will be announced in our News section. So if any reason for your earnings drop it's definitely not caused by us as we didn't change anything that would affect earnings on our end.

OK, thanks for letting me know.

Sometimes the clicks slow down from PV and PTCS on the weekends but usually not for a few days so I assumed that was the cause. Thanks for clearing it up and my apologies for making it look bad. .

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Oct, 2020 at 2:33pm:

OK, thanks for letting me know. Sometimes the clicks slow down from PV and PTCS on the weekends but usually not for a few days so I assumed that was the cause. Thanks for clearing it up and my apologies for making it look bad. .

Yes. I'm not seeing the difference in my earnings, even referral earnings.

dansbanners wrote on 15^th Oct, 2020 at 1:45pm:

Yes. I'm not seeing the difference in my earnings, even referral earnings.

Things have come back strong so that is a relief.

As you may have noticed, our promote page has been redesigned lately now showing a smaller, more sleek validation message, which automatically disappears after 10 seconds. More than enough for users to interact with (yes, our tests have shown that interested users interact with content within the first 5-10 seconds). Additionally, by occupying only a small space in the upper-right corner AND subsequently disappearing, it maximizes exposure for the advertisement at hand.
Along with the said redesign, the page has been optimized to load in less than half a second, which means our Advertisers' contents gets shown even sooner than before.

Also, our weekly Toptraffic page now features even more detailed information, showing Valids/Invalids ratios colored on small bar-graphs each by their respective type. Hover of each color to see the actual percentage value.

The only thing that we need more is: traffic. Unfortunately it seems there is an ongoing downward trend in terms of traffic across all PTC sites out there, including Neobux. Hopefully it will pick up soon, otherwise we'll just have to come up with an alternative ourselves.

rotate4all.com wrote on 26^th Oct, 2020 at 2:30pm:

As you may have noticed, our promote page has been redesigned lately now showing a smaller, more sleek validation message, which automatically disappears after 10 seconds. More than enough for users to interact with (yes, our tests have shown that interested users interact with content within the first 5-10 seconds). Additionally, by occupying only a small space in the upper-right corner AND subsequently disappearing, it maximizes exposure for the advertisement at hand. Along with the said redesign, the page has been optimized to load in less than half a second, which means our Advertisers' contents gets shown even sooner than before. Also, our weekly Toptraffic page now features even more detailed information, showing Valids/Invalids ratios colored on small bar-graphs each by their respective type. Hover of each color to see the actual percentage value. The only thing that we need more is: traffic. Unfortunately it seems there is an ongoing downward trend in terms of traffic across all PTC sites out there, including Neobux. Hopefully it will pick up soon, otherwise we'll just have to come up with an alternative ourselves.

I'm not sure if it is the industry or if people are spending less discretionary income trying to build a business online. With so many people out of work, there could be less money/investment flowing to our industry.

We can embrace this opportunity and try to get more people in to earn an income but it might be hard. It might be tough this winter.

rotate4all.com wrote on 26^th Oct, 2020 at 2:30pm:

As you may have noticed, our promote page has been redesigned lately now showing a smaller, more sleek validation message, which automatically disappears after 10 seconds. More than enough for users to interact with (yes, our tests have shown that interested users interact with content within the first 5-10 seconds). Additionally, by occupying only a small space in the upper-right corner AND subsequently disappearing, it maximizes exposure for the advertisement at hand. Along with the said redesign, the page has been optimized to load in less than half a second, which means our Advertisers' contents gets shown even sooner than before.

I know you meant well. But to tell the truth, I have some concerns that it could discourage people from joining. Not everyone would know what "Advertisers" and "Publishers" mean. And that it also disappears. Sometime just stick to what's working and that changes aren't always for the better. Have you seen a change in the number of signups since you made the above change? If you have, then perhaps maybe bring back the top bar? Ya know, keep it simple?

moneymarketing wrote on 26^th Oct, 2020 at 9:04pm:

I'm not sure if it is the industry or if people are spending less discretionary income trying to build a business online. With so many people out of work, there could be less money/investment flowing to our industry. We can embrace this opportunity and try to get more people in to earn an income but it might be hard. It might be tough this winter.

Or we could look at it this way. Since more people are staying home more, they'd want to look for more money making opportunities through the internet or something.

dansbanners wrote on 30^th Oct, 2020 at 9:07pm:

Or we could look at it this way. Since more people are staying home more, they'd want to look for more money making opportunities through the internet or something.

I think too, it's more like this.. during the lockdown I got the largest bump on my second hand PC parts sales.

Especially e-shops get a huge boost, so why not online marketing as well..? The traffic should go up.. even if people have less to spend.

Do you accept easyhits4u splash pages in your rotator?

Yes, EasyHits4U is accepted.

rotate4all.com wrote on 8^th Nov, 2020 at 10:01am:

Yes, EasyHits4U is accepted.

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Paypal banned R4A again?

Shocked?

Nope!

Not shocked at all.

They do this every. single. time!  >:(

It's like swimming with alligators. If you go swimming with alligators it will probably cost you an arm and a leg.

They just raised the Bitcoin payment threshold from $10 to $20 after I just reached $10!

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It was raised long before that as the Bitcoin network fees sky-rocketed due to the current rally that started last year.
Or are you assuming I was watching you reach $10 just to raise to $20? If so then we can't really be friends.

The minimum amount for Bitcoin payments is always set in accordance with current Bitcoin network fees: https://bitcoinfees.net/
Alternatively, choose Faucetpay and have your crypto sent with minimum fees.

rotate4all.com wrote on 20^th Jan, 2021 at 2:02pm:

It was raised long before that as the Bitcoin network fees sky-rocketed due to the current rally that started last year. Or are you assuming I was watching you reach $10 just to raise to $20? If so then we can't really be friends. The minimum amount for Bitcoin payments is always set in accordance with current Bitcoin network fees: https://bitcoinfees.net/ Alternatively, choose Faucetpay and have your crypto sent with minimum fees.

No problem. I understand it wasn't your fault. And thanks for the explanation.

It was just that it felt a little tedious to reach $10 and I did do quite a bit of promoting to reach $10, not to also mention that the same thing happened when I just reached $5. So twice in a row I thought I was going to get a bite of the carrot only for the carrot to continue to be pulled away. 

I didn't realize they brought back the activity contests.

This changes the formula again, of course.

https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=53

(doing math)

Has anyone tried to buy traffic here lately? It seems they are always booked up. That is not a complaint, that is a compliment. When your restaurant is full it means your customers are pleased.

Maybe he can start rotating his banner spots to open up to more sales but if he is happy with his sales then all is good.

I may need to cash out instead of buying traffic there as planned.

Such tough decisions.

moneymarketing wrote on 14^th Mar, 2021 at 11:01pm:

I didn't realize they brought back the activity contests. This changes the formula again, of course. https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=53 (doing math)

Yes as you can see this was announced quite some time ago. However it didn't have any noticeable effect on overall activity but I've decided to keep it active nonetheless. Hopefully it'll pick up eventually.



moneymarketing wrote on 18^th Mar, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Has anyone tried to buy traffic here lately? It seems they are always booked up. That is not a complaint, that is a compliment. When your restaurant is full it means your customers are pleased.

Well, over the years I've learned that one needs at least 10k visits to get any significant results since we're dealing with incentive-based traffic after all. So anything around that amount seems to make our advertisers happy. And if they're happy, we're happy!
So naturally the current amount of slots are limited to the current total amount of traffic we're getting. Sure we could put up 150/200/1000 slots for sale, but then the results would diminish for all existing customers as well which would naturally make them very angry and of course we don't want that.
When and if we get more traffic, then naturally there will be more slots available to purchase for our advertisers.


moneymarketing wrote on 18^th Mar, 2021 at 2:55pm:

Maybe he can start rotating his banner spots to open up to more sales but if he is happy with his sales then all is good.

No can do either as our Banner advertising was taking up 10 spots in the rotator. However we were having only a few banners spots booked at any given time which made it cost more than it brought in, so at least for now it is disabled. When and if we have an extra 10 rotator spots free, then we'll re-enable it.

Banner advertising is now available again, though for a limited time only.

rotate4all.com wrote on 21^st Apr, 2021 at 4:44pm:

Banner advertising is now available again, though for a limited time only.

[smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Direct Bank transfers are now available as another payout option.
Details: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news

rotate4all.com wrote on 28^th Jun, 2021 at 10:28am:

Direct Bank transfers are now available as another payout option. Details: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news

It looks like you need to put the space between sentences in that post in your news page.

That's just how it's being summarized. Formatting capabilities are limited within that function.
To view the complete News post (that's always properly formatted) click on the Read more button or through the following direct link: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=56

rotate4all.com wrote on 28^th Jun, 2021 at 1:26pm:

That's just how it's being summarized. Formatting capabilities are limited within that function. To view the complete News post (that's always properly formatted) click on the Read more button or through the following direct link: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/news?page=details&id=56

Do you use a server-side bbcode parser or is it pure wysiwyg?

It is pure wysiwyg, but that was not the issue as formatting was being saved properly in each individual news post. The issue was that HTML tags were being stripped from the News summary page when rendered, hence it looked a bit messed up. It was meant to be that way because having any text-formatting on that page looked a bit weird for my taste at least.
Solved it by replacing tags with spaces: strip_tags(str_replace('<', ' <', $str));

rotate4all.com wrote on 29^th Jun, 2021 at 8:46am:

It is pure wysiwyg, but that was not the issue as formatting was being saved properly in each individual news post. The issue was that HTML tags were being stripped from the News summary page when rendered, hence it looked a bit messed up. It was meant to be that way because having any text-formatting on that page looked a bit weird for my taste at least. Solved it by replacing tags with spaces: strip_tags(str_replace('<', ' <', $str));

Yes. It does look better now.

rotate4all.com wrote on 29^th Jun, 2021 at 8:46am:

It is pure wysiwyg, but that was not the issue as formatting was being saved properly in each individual news post. The issue was that HTML tags were being stripped from the News summary page when rendered, hence it looked a bit messed up. It was meant to be that way because having any text-formatting on that page looked a bit weird for my taste at least. Solved it by replacing tags with spaces: strip_tags(str_replace('<', ' <', $str));

Maybe the closing tag '> ' would be a better deal as it prevents prepending the paragraph with a blank space.

https://i.ibb.co/pRzj6LM/blank-space.png

Ok, maybe even better we should simply ignore my OCD alerts popping up uninvited.. [smiley=lolx.gif]
The space seems to get trimmed at the element rendering level anyways, so it's not a real problem..

For the past 3 weeks I've been working hard /on a complete redesign of our entire PTP side, which includes both the backend and the frontend which will be using the same template as currently found on our Advertising side.

Expect a similar but modern layout using full ajax navigation with a completely overhauled backend optimized for fast page loads.

It's a long overdue process which was necessary to implement before adding any new content.
Hopefully it'll be ready by the end of this week.  :phew

Thanks for letting us know. We're looking forward to seeing the changes. Good luck!

rotate4all.com wrote on 21^st Jul, 2021 at 10:43pm:

For the past 3 weeks I've been working hard /on a complete redesign of our entire PTP side, which includes both the backend and the frontend which will be using the same template as currently found on our Advertising side. Expect a similar but modern layout using full ajax navigation with a completely overhauled backend optimized for fast page loads. It's a long overdue process which was necessary to implement before adding any new content. Hopefully it'll be ready by the end of this week.  :phew

I feel your pain buddy!

Hang in there and keep coding to perfection!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

And it's live, finally! Check it out: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/
Let me know what you think.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

Looks good and better than before. I like the way the info is put together on the main page and inside the account. Makes navigating easier.

rotate4all.com wrote on 25^th Jul, 2021 at 2:15pm:

And it's live, finally! Check it out: https://www.rotate4all.com/ptp/ Let me know what you think.  [smiley=z06-guitar.gif]

That looks great. The new back office is much better too.

Great job! Nice design and good responsiveness!

I tried to find any noticeable bugs but there weren't any, at least none with a quick browse through the pages, both in desktop and mobile view.

The only thing my eye managed to catch is the following.. nothing big or out of place but may be worth noticing.
As I was checking the traffic sources, I tried sorting them by the valids ratio and got the following behavior.

It seems that if we sort using ascending order the 100% valid ones tend to appear first and then come the ones with the most invalid hits percentage, and it ascends to the ones with the most valid hits percentage but not 100%.

I think the 100% valid ones should appear at the top when sorting using descending order, so you might want to check that out.
Either way congrats on the brand new look! :)

While I was quite optimistic on having tested everything when flipping the "online-switch", I later found myself spending half a day fixing quite a few of the reported bugs.
But as my old boss once said: "More eyes see more things", that saying came true once again and thanks to our community's feedback I have fixed all reported bugs in no-time.

Sorting the Traffic Sources page was a bit tricky which I have also noticed before going live, but since I haven't figured it out I gave up at that time. Nevertheless, I took another look at it and lo and behold the solution was to simply not use 100% values, instead using 99.9999% for the (invisible) sorting values did the trick. This workaround works just fine for the Visits and Valids ratio, while it still needs some tinkering for the Invalids ratio but I'll get there eventually.

Thank you all for the kind words and for the input, much appreciated!

With the new layout, now's the opportunity to promote the main page with your referral link instead.
As it's a fresh/attractive design, getting sign-ups is much easier now.
You can find your referral link on the "Referrals" page.

For example one user promoting on coinpayu.com is getting 100+ referrals per day for more than a week now. He/she went from earning $0.002/day from referrals to $1.5+/day as many of those referrals are either actively promoting their PTP link or Surfing our ads.

Apart from the fresh design the increased signup ratios are made possible due to our efforts to keep up with modern times, such as:
[olist]

implementing cross-site cookies tracking with Secure and SameSite attributes so that browsers won't reject them, not to waste user promoting efforts

making sure the sign-up form opens in a new window/tab if the sign-up is triggered through a 3rd party context such as iFrames on other GPT sites

keeping the sign-up form as simple as possible
[/olist]
There are few sites out there that have implemented especially 2nd point, which is very important as some site owners don't realize that their sign-up/login forms do not work at all in a 3rd party context.
Which is the main reason of having trouble getting sign-ups or active users for that matter on various GPT sites out there.

rotate4all.com wrote on 20^th Aug, 2021 at 7:44am:

With the new layout, now's the opportunity to promote the main page with your referral link instead. As it's a fresh/attractive design, getting sign-ups is much easier now. You can find your referral link on the "Referrals" page. For example one user promoting on coinpayu.com is getting 100+ referrals per day for more than a week now. He/she went from earning $0.002/day from referrals to $1.5+/day as many of those referrals are either actively promoting their PTP link or Surfing our ads. Apart from the fresh design the increased signup ratios are made possible due to our efforts to keep up with modern times, such as: [olist] implementing cross-site cookies tracking with Secure and SameSite attributes so that browsers won't reject them, not to waste user promoting efforts making sure the sign-up form opens in a new window/tab if the sign-up is triggered through a 3rd party context such as iFrames on other GPT sites keeping the sign-up form as simple as possible [/olist] There are few sites out there that have implemented especially 2nd point, which is very important as some site owners don't realize that their sign-up/login forms do not work at all in a 3rd party context. Which is the main reason of having trouble getting sign-ups or active users for that matter on various GPT sites out there.

I'm willing to give it a try at paidverts again unless you know that it doesn't work very well there.

If I can make a profit, I'll promote it.

moneymarketing wrote on 21^st Aug, 2021 at 12:38am:

I'm willing to give it a try at paidverts again unless you know that it doesn't work very well there. If I can make a profit, I'll promote it.

The referral link refuses to connect though the PTP link works  :dontknow

I don't know about Paidverts as nobody's been promoting their referral link there.
That's a security feature actually: the Referral link doesn't work in a 3rd party context if you're already logged in. One cannot login nor sign-up if already logged in.

rotate4all.com wrote on 21^st Aug, 2021 at 6:44am:

I don't know about Paidverts as nobody's been promoting their referral link there. That's a security feature actually: the Referral link doesn't work in a 3rd party context if you're already logged in. One cannot login nor sign-up if already logged in.

confirmed! It does work when logged out. So I'll be testing it in both PV and PTCS and I may even give neobux a shot at it.

One thing I do like about the referral page is it gives plenty of stats. People can see what the site is delivering before joining.

moneymarketing wrote on 22^nd Aug, 2021 at 4:28am:

confirmed! It does work when logged out. So I'll be testing it in both PV and PTCS and I may even give neobux a shot at it. One thing I do like about the referral page is it gives plenty of stats. People can see what the site is delivering before joining.

:o

Wow!

Small test, impressive results. Four referrals on a very small sample. Of the four, one is active already.

If I can ramp this up then this could quickly become my #1 promotion.

I think the Neo test will go well. Just a  hunch.

I'm quite excited about this.

moneymarketing wrote on 23^rd Aug, 2021 at 2:30am:

:o Wow! Small test, impressive results. Four referrals on a very small sample. Of the four, one is active already. If I can ramp this up then this could quickly become my #1 promotion. I think the Neo test will go well. Just a  hunch. I'm quite excited about this.

Double wow!

The Neo test is off the charts. 115 referrals from a one-day ad  :o [smiley=12-party.gif]

A rough guess shows about 80% are active so it looks like Neo is the perfect market for the referral page.

I think I just found my new #1 promoting program. And yes, DLF is going to take a back seat for a while so I can see how well this does. If I can compound the growth here and maintain the same referral rate, then that should produce some long-term cash flow. That will just create a positive feedback loop.

Another positive is that R4A actually pays in processors that neo accepts so the money won't be dead-ending in paypal.

...and I have Dan as my R4A upline as a bonus.  ;D

So let's try this again:

TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!  ;D

moneymarketing wrote on 26^th Aug, 2021 at 3:20am:

Double wow! The Neo test is off the charts. 115 referrals from a one-day ad  :o [smiley=12-party.gif] A rough guess shows about 80% are active so it looks like Neo is the perfect market for the referral page. I think I just found my new #1 promoting program. And yes, DLF is going to take a back seat for a while so I can see how well this does. If I can compound the growth here and maintain the same referral rate, then that should produce some long-term cash flow. That will just create a positive feedback loop. Another positive is that R4A actually pays in processors that neo accepts so the money won't be dead-ending in paypal. ...and I have Dan as my R4A upline as a bonus.  ;D So let's try this again: TO INFINITY AND BEYOND!  ;D

That's good to know! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

And I've also been promoting R4A lately as well. 8-)

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm really glad the redesigned main page is converting so well, means it's a job well done!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 27^th Aug, 2021 at 8:12am:

Thanks for the feedback guys. I'm really glad the redesigned main page is converting so well, means it's a job well done!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Yes, recruiting active members is job one for any site. If you can just do that then the promoters and advertising will show up. Sadly, most sites can't comprehend that. That they spend so little effort on that shows in their results.

Quote:

Payout total: $1,005.53 USD

I don't know how many years I've been a member but I finally reached my first 1K in payouts.

Things are going well now and I think I may reach my second 1K a lot faster.

Thanks.

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moneymarketing wrote on 4^th Sep, 2021 at 7:02am:

I don't know how many years I've been a member but I finally reached my first 1K in payouts. Things are going well now and I think I may reach my second 1K a lot faster. Thanks. [smiley=12-party.gif]

Wow! :o

Good for you. You're obviously an experienced marketer. 8-)

moneymarketing wrote on 4^th Sep, 2021 at 7:02am:

I don't know how many years I've been a member but I finally reached my first 1K in payouts. Things are going well now and I think I may reach my second 1K a lot faster. Thanks. [smiley=12-party.gif]

That's a nicemilestone!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Keep it going!

dansbanners wrote on 4^th Sep, 2021 at 1:09pm:

Wow! :o Good for you. You're obviously an experienced marketer. 8-)

I'm glad you are my upline so you can share in some of that. Let's hope we can rebuild what we had in ysense.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 4^th Sep, 2021 at 9:03pm:

I'm glad you are my upline so you can share in some of that. Let's hope we can rebuild what we had in ysense.  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Yeah, hopefully. Thanks! 8-)

This has definitely been moved up to my #1 promotion. I'm getting excellent results to the point that my R4A earnings alone should soon cover the cost of my advertising. At that point, the compound growth curve takes over.

My hope is to have a full-time ad over at Neobux. The daily referral rate will drop but the cost of the ad will also. If it is paying for itself it won't be an issue anyway as it will be 'gravy' time at that point.

If the R4A referral and earnings rate keeps up then the admin should prepare for superstar status.  8-)

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moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Sep, 2021 at 3:11am:

This has definitely been moved up to my #1 promotion. I'm getting excellent results to the point that my R4A earnings alone should soon cover the cost of my advertising. At that point, the compound growth curve takes over. My hope is to have a full-time ad over at Neobux. The daily referral rate will drop but the cost of the ad will also. If it is paying for itself it won't be an issue anyway as it will be 'gravy' time at that point. If the R4A referral and earnings rate keeps up then the admin should prepare for superstar status.  8-) [smiley=12-party.gif] [smiley=12-party.gif] [smiley=12-party.gif]

That's great! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

rotate4all.com wrote on 21^st Aug, 2021 at 6:44am:

the Referral link doesn't work in a 3rd party context if you're already logged in

This has now been modified so that if a user visits a rotate4all referral link in a 3rd party context while also being logged in on rotate4all, an automatic redirection will occur to the Publisher's Promote link instead, so the visit would not go to waste.

For more information, read our latest News post.

It doesn't happen all the time but when I click on the statistics link on the side when I'm in the dashboard, I am sometimes taken to the promo front page as if I'm logged out or something. The page shows within the frame that shows my username so I know I am not logged out. Clicking on the dashboard link on the promo page takes me back to the dashboard and I can usually get to the stats the next time I click on the link. This is in the chrome browser.

We're using ajax navigation, which means that instead of redirecting you to the link set in the element (#), the content is fetched from the server and replaced inside the current frame without refreshing the entire page, making it load much faster.

Obviously this is handled through Javascript. For performance reasons we're loading all our scripts at the end of the page. So it can happen if you click the links fast enough that you end up doing so before the scripts were loaded, which leads to the situation you mentioned.

Nonetheless I'll try to find a solution to counter this behavior as much as possible.
Thanks for reporting.

rotate4all.com wrote on 17^th Oct, 2021 at 12:46pm:

We're using ajax navigation, which means that instead of redirecting you to the link set in the element (#), the content is fetched from the server and replaced inside the current frame without refreshing the entire page, making it load much faster. Obviously this is handled through Javascript. For performance reasons we're loading all our scripts at the end of the page. So it can happen if you click the links fast enough that you end up doing so before the scripts were loaded, which leads to the situation you mentioned. Nonetheless I'll try to find a solution to counter this behavior as much as possible. Thanks for reporting.

Yes, I do tend to rip through the links. I'll slow down and wait for them to fully load.

I think part of the problem is that the default is the dashboard which doesn't give the detail I'm looking for so I just try to click through. Is it possible for the site to remember the last page viewed? I'm thinking this might also save server resources since it will keep people from going back to the dashboard every time there is a reload and then clicking to the pages they want to view.