This is a topic we haven't really talked about: Autoresponders.

We are always hearing how we need to use them to make ridiculous sales. I think the guys here have shown that is not true. Yet it is a tool that does bring in new referrals and capture leads. Up to 400% more if you believe the marketing

Now I stumbled across this site. I haven't seen this before but it has a great price (and I suppose there is a catch somewhere down the road). I didn't join because if we look at this as a group we should research it and decide who will go first (or even jump in and test it

I had great success promoting a free autoresponder in the past. A basic banner that I used to promote just using 'free autoresponder' was one of my most successful banners ever since the 'paid to' crowd is really sensitive to the use of these tools.

so check this out (don't join yet) Does the marketing stir your curiosity? Is it something you might join from that sales page?

If so then we at least have a good opportunity from that perspective

http://www.grabthatlead.com/join.php

Sorry for removing the id in the link.. I noticed the landing page works ok without it.. so it's not necessary..  [smiley=sorry.gif]

Regarding auto-responders, they are great marketing tools, I've even joined programs because of them.

It's just I'm not too fond of them because marketing auto-responders kind of felt too "automated" for me after a while.
It felt like I was being tossed programs to join email after email.. so it kind of turned me off after I realized how they work.

A good meaningful queue of emails could really be interesting if planned well, and auto-responders could breath some life into them, making them useful for the receiver and profitable for the sender of course.

These points come to my head as a receiver though..
I've never promoted an auto-responder, so I can't tell how profitable results are with using it.
And as far as I can tell this page uses an auto-responder to promote an auto-responder, which is kinda weird..  :P

There are also some negative effects in auto-responders such as being an easy way of marking the sender's email address as a spam source.. which is bad for business.. so the auto-responder emails should only be sent from an external server..

The only auto-responders I use on my site are the ones with instructions on the ad management.
I even type everything when replying to the contact form so that it doesn't feel automated at all..

That's ok about the ID but if we do join maybe we can credit him for it as our referrer

I have used ARs but usually ones that are part of a site. This one looks to be stand alone for use with other opportunities plus one in house to use also. This is my guess but we won't know unless we enter that doorway

The ARs I have used in the past were more responsive than average. The sign up rate is more effective. I think this is because it looks more professional and corporate to use one so people are more trusting (which actually should be the opposite)

It's also a question of you need to know what to tell your downline members. Do you?

dansbanners wrote on 1^st Nov, 2015 at 1:03pm:

It's also a question of you need to know what to tell your downline members. Do you?

What do you mean?

moneymarketing wrote on 1^st Nov, 2015 at 5:52pm:

What do you mean?

You're going to have to know what to say to your downline members or leads or subscribers on an ongoing basis. Kinda like what you receive from other marketers after joining their programs or subscribing to their mailing lists and all.

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2015 at 2:07pm:

You're going to have to know what to say to your downline members or leads or subscribers on an ongoing basis. Kinda like what you receive from other marketers after joining their programs or subscribing to their mailing lists and all.

Exactly.. you need to have a bunch (if not all) of follow-up newsletters ready by the time you start promoting your program or auto-responder.. using your auto-responder. This way it will be a regular thing and you won't have to play catch-up with writing new ones on the go.. :)

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2015 at 2:07pm:

You're going to have to know what to say to your downline members or leads or subscribers on an ongoing basis. Kinda like what you receive from other marketers after joining their programs or subscribing to their mailing lists and all.

Oh, of course. As for that one, it apparently has that already set up for us on the generic AR.

And as for uses with other programs,  I was just thinking of the ones that already have all that set up too.

If no one is going to jump on this then I'm willing to test it. If you want to get above me, PM me and I send you that guy's referral link. Then I'll join under you

This is raw but here are the features. These are pretty good for free. The first yes/no is for free the second for paid. They also refer to three levels:

Upgrade Membership
Feature      Free Member      Plantinum Member
Create Unlimited Lead Capture Forms      Yes      Yes
Create Unlimited 100% Unblockable Popup Form Codes      Yes      Yes
7 Ready Made Pop Up Templates and Behaviours To Choose From      Yes      Yes
Built-In Javascript Form Field Checker And Email Syntax Validation      Yes      Yes
Set Your Own Redirect & Confirmation URL      Yes      Yes
Host Unlimited Number of Subscribers      Yes      Yes
Option To Automatically Take One Subscriber Off One List When He or She Subscribes To Another      Yes      Yes
Subscriber's Email Verification      Yes      Yes
Include Double Optin Mechanism      Yes      Yes
Global Broadcasting To All Subscribers Or Mulitiple Lists      Yes      Yes
Easy Opt-In Form Creator With Pre-Loaded Headlines      Yes      Yes
Smart Script Broadcast Prevents Sending To Duplicate Emails      Yes      Yes
Personalised Email Titles and Messages      Yes      Yes
Unsubscribe/Change Email Link In Every Outgoing Email      Yes      Yes
Create Unlimited Email Campaigns       No      Yes
Unlimited Follow-up Sequential Messages      No       Yes
Set Varying Intervals In Between Messages        No      Yes
Assign Multiple Lists to Multiple Campaigns (& vice versa)        No      Yes
Cost      Free      $9.97/month
Referral Commision      Yes      Yes
+ Monthly Bonuses

I think I'll just target the AR crowd. I don't need to use this to benefit from it and everyone that uses an AR is always looking for free additions

This is what you can do for free:

1      Create lead capture forms. When visitors submit to these forms, they will be added to your list. You can have unlimited lead capture forms so that you can differentiate members in your list. This allows you to target your sales better and gain maximum response rate. You can assign each list to unlimited Autoresponding Email Campaigns.
2      Create Autoresponding Email Campaigns. You can setup unlimited email campaigns. In each campaign you can have almost unlimited (max of 999) emails. Varying intervals between each email can be set. This gives you greater flexibility in designing your campaign. You can assign each campaign to unlimited lists that you own.

Let us know if your mailing list expands and if you get good results from the program and if it also leads to signups to other programs. Thanks. Good luck!

dansbanners wrote on 6^th Nov, 2015 at 1:57pm:

Let us know if your mailing list expands and if you get good results from the program and if it also leads to signups to other programs. Thanks. Good luck!

Whoa, very nice

I just did some test ads in DM and 1tae and it already led to two sign ups with three on the second level.

DM had 12 clicks on 10k hits which is better than 1 in 100 (actually the right number is 1 in 833)

It seems people still go mad for autoresponders.

I can't wait to do a more significant test at PV or MFS  :)

moneymarketing wrote on 8^th Nov, 2015 at 10:06pm:

DM had 12 clicks on 10k hits which is better than 1 in 100

Not sure what you mean by "12 clicks on 10k hits"?

dansbanners wrote on 8^th Nov, 2015 at 10:24pm:

Not sure what you mean by "12 clicks on 10k hits"?

The banner I was using was showed 10,000 times and it got 12 clicks.


oh, and my math was wrong that is better than 1 in 1000. Not 1 in 100. More like 1 in 833. But it seems to produce signups.

A larger test will be needed though

And for perspective, I consider 1 in 500 an acceptable click through rate for DM and sites like that. So this is close

moneymarketing wrote on 8^th Nov, 2015 at 10:32pm:

The banner I was using was showed 10,000 times and it got 12 clicks. oh, and my math was wrong that is better than 1 in 1000. Not 1 in 100. More like 1 in 833. But it seems to produce signups. A larger test will be needed though And for perspective, I consider 1 in 500 an acceptable click through rate for DM and sites like that. So this is close

Then in that case you should say "12 clicks in 10K impressions". Hits and impressions aren't the same thing.

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Nov, 2015 at 3:52am:

Then in that case you should say "12 clicks in 10K impressions". Hits and impressions aren't the same thing.

Technically they are both the same thing. Both are views but I see what you are saying

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Nov, 2015 at 8:29am:

Technically they are both the same thing. Both are views but I see what you are saying

No it isn't. A hit is how many visitors to your site. An impression is how many times your banners were shown. Look around at the redemption and advertising pages. You'll see the difference between purchasing "10K clicks" versus "10K banner impressions".

Trust me. Marketers could get confused if you were to say "10K hits" referring to banner impressions.

Thus in your case it was "10K impressions" and "12 hits" (i.e. 12 clicks).

To put it in perspective, I've been a long time marketer and I still had to ask what you meant by "DM had 12 clicks on 10k hits"

Besides I suggest you wait till you get some real success with the program. Saying you got just a couple of sign ups isn't going to cut it.

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Nov, 2015 at 2:38pm:

No it isn't. A hit is how many visitors to your site. An impression is how many times your banners were shown. Look around at the redemption and advertising pages. You'll see the difference between purchasing "10K clicks" versus "10K banner impressions".

If I say I bought 10k hits to my banner, then that is how many times the banner is shown. If I get clicks on my banners then that is a hit to the website. Hits have always been views but yes, most people use impressions for banners to differentiate

But this is a pointless discussion

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Nov, 2015 at 4:42pm:

Besides I suggest you wait till you get some real success with the program. Saying you got just a couple of sign ups isn't going to cut it.

It was first level results which is better results than 90% of the programs I test out have. Do you think I would have reported it if I thought it was of no value given my ten+ years of experience in this industry? Yes, it was first level testing but that just qualifies it for the next level which has already started. Since then I've added another referral and now have 7 on the second level.

The second level referrals could just be due to me finding a star right off the bat which is an extreme fluke but can happen. Anyway, this seems to be progressing geometrically so that is encouraging

Well, this does refer. I've managed to generate 10 referrals and 8 second level by plugging the banner and text ads mainly into my marketing machine. For a good comparison, I have (had) the BoB banner floating around in there too and have had no referrals in a month, so the GTL page does draw people who are looking for autoresponders. I think the 8 second level refs was from one guy because it seems to have stopped. I don't know if I should take it as a bad sign from someone who has the expertise in the field.

I'm probably not going to use the AR, just promote it to those who would use it. I figure it is like promoting domain services. Once someone brings their list and system in, they will stick with the site and should produce long term cash flow once they upgrade.

I think this is one of those sites that will appeal more to the high end marketers as opposed to free clickers so targeting them in places like TEs is probably the better way to go but this won't be a priority. I'll make it a passive promotion that uses residual impressions and views and if people upgrade then I'll reinvest that into more advertising

Sitting on 21 referrals first level 8 second  :)

Of the 21, 7 are unverified email addresses.

If this proves one thing, it is that people like AR software, especially if it is free  8-)

averaging about 1 referral per day but not really getting anything from that. No upgrades or anything. Fortunately, all the traffic is free or passive for me.

Maybe the growing list will prompt the admin to build on what we have there

moneymarketing wrote on 27^th Nov, 2015 at 1:28am:

averaging about 1 referral per day but not really getting anything from that. No upgrades or anything. Fortunately, all the traffic is free or passive for me. Maybe the growing list will prompt the admin to build on what we have there

Can you send an e-mail to your referrals? Promoting other programs?

dansbanners wrote on 28^th Nov, 2015 at 4:28pm:

Can you send an e-mail to your referrals? Promoting other programs?

You are given their email addresses but I think promoting other programs would be spam. You could make it so that you send each a welcome letter which would tell them about yourself, your success and then offering them to join your email list from which you could market to them. If you were still concerned about spam then you would put no links in but ask your people to reply to you if interested

Then you could use the site to manage the list of people who respond

It would be difficult and require a little work but you could do it. This could also be a way to filter out those who are not willing to work from those who are. So it would be a quick way to find leaders and the truly hungry for opportunity

moneymarketing wrote on 28^th Nov, 2015 at 7:38pm:

You are given their email addresses but I think promoting other programs would be spam. You could make it so that you send each a welcome letter which would tell them about yourself, your success and then offering them to join your email list from which you could market to them. If you were still concerned about spam then you would put no links in but ask your people to reply to you if interested Then you could use the site to manage the list of people who respond It would be difficult and require a little work but you could do it. This could also be a way to filter out those who are not willing to work from those who are. So it would be a quick way to find leaders and the truly hungry for opportunity

Then what's the purpose of the autoresponder to begin with? :-?

dansbanners wrote on 29^th Nov, 2015 at 2:50pm:

Then what's the purpose of the autoresponder to begin with? :-?

Like I said, for me, I'll probably not use it but there are many people who do use them. Those people are more serious marketers and so will probably end up upgrading in the long run.

AR is very much like hosting. The people you get are more professional and more likely to stick as a referral who generates income for their upline. We saw this with fiendcat

In the gold mining days there were two types of people. Those who dug for gold and those who sold them picks and shovels. I'm doing this with the intent of selling the tools  :)

moneymarketing wrote on 29^th Nov, 2015 at 5:26pm:

Like I said, for me, I'll probably not use it but there are many people who do use them. Those people are more serious marketers and so will probably end up upgrading in the long run. AR is very much like hosting. The people you get are more professional and more likely to stick as a referral who generates income for their upline. We saw this with fiendcat In the gold mining days there were two types of people. Those who dug for gold and those who sold them picks and shovels. I'm doing this with the intent of selling the tools  :)

So, you're saying you'll get a % of your referral's upgrades or purchases?

dansbanners wrote on 8^th Dec, 2015 at 9:31pm:

So, you're saying you'll get a % of your referral's upgrades or purchases?

Yes, 10% first level and when you upgrade you get 5% on level 2 and 3