Hi,

I see some of you talking about this or that program. And sometime also even complaining about this or that program.

However, what we really could use is another "PTCBox" opportunity.

Any ideas or suggestions?

PTCBox kind of changed my whole online career.. I'd never complain about it.. :)
No other program has managed to get that high so far.. I'd be happy to see another one succeed like that..

Yeah, PtcBox really showed some other dimension. I had nothing to complain about, too.

Clixsense, LinkGrand, WordLinx and very few others have that reputation.

I would love to see such a "ptcbox" opportunity from one of them.

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th May, 2014 at 4:44am:

PTCBox kind of changed my whole online career.. I'd never complain about it.. :) No other program has managed to get that high so far.. I'd be happy to see another one succeed like that..

Can we really use the term "succeed"? Considering it crashed at around 1 year? True, it was Paypal limitation that led to its downfall, but then again, so do many PTC sites. Can we really call a site which wasn't prepared to deal with this a success? After all, a PTC site is not just its earning model. It has got to have a whole lot more to back it up. Sadly, the admin of PTCbox wasn't up to that task.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th May, 2014 at 4:48pm:

Can we really use the term "succeed"? Considering it crashed at around 1 year? .

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Classic!

I need an opinion on this:

http://www.emoneyspace.com/agstr1

This looks really great and could be something we pursue as a team. I have a couple questions. First, I seem to recall the these guys were having problems paying affiliates. Is this true?

Secondly, this plan is similar to one pushed at Neobux. I'm a member of Neobux and I haven't seen this type of success with NB. I know there are a lot of shysters out there that would out and out lie about their results in order to sell upgrades etc.

Are these numbers realistic or is this just a con?

Sorry to be a bummer but I'm not that happy about ojooo.. and even more I'm not too keen on renting referrals..
This strategy works based on the factor that your rented referrals will earn you more than they cost per month..

How exactly can someone guarantee that?

And secondly, sure sales (including upgrades) pay off well there, but if it's hard to get them on a program with a good reputation such as YGP, how easier will it be on a program that has a short history, its earnings are based on the referral upgrades and it's always been full of hype..? Is it possible that it has crossed 4.000.000 users in such a short time..? Maybe I'm exaggerating but it's kinda really hard for me to put trust on them..

SolidSnake wrote on 30^th May, 2014 at 2:34am:

Sorry to be a bummer but I'm not that happy about ojooo.. and even more I'm not too keen on renting referrals.. This strategy works based on the factor that your rented referrals will earn you more than they cost per month.. How exactly can someone guarantee that? And secondly, sure sales (including upgrades) pay off well there, but if it's hard to get them on a program with a good reputation such as YGP, how easier will it be on a program that has a short history, its earnings are based on the referral upgrades and it's always been full of hype..? Is it possible that it has crossed 4.000.000 users in such a short time..? Maybe I'm exaggerating but it's kinda really hard for me to put trust on them..

Yes, that was my concern about the program. I have also seen people openly lie about neobux and what rewards you can get from them so this is why I am skeptical.

It is too bad there is so little accountability on the web

I'm in ojooo, and while the $30 daily may be reachable with 3000 referrals (i get around $15 with 1700 referrals), the costs of renting lower mean the pure profit is nowhere near that high. It's profitable, but not all that much.

About the payments, yes there are some significant delays.  In hindsight, but I rushed in a bit, since Sophie wasn't faring too bad with the payments, but right now it's still not reliable enough to inspire confidence.

Actually, these kinds of return promises are not completely lies, just partial lies. You see a lot of people telling you can earn $100 daily on Neobux. And that's true. I earn around $100 daily. I could withdraw $100 everyday if I wished to. IF I wanted to just leave my account to die. If I want to keep it going, I spend around $80 daily in renewing referrals and memberships.
Of course, that doesn't sound as pretty on paper as writing $100 everyday.

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th May, 2014 at 2:22pm:

I'm in ojooo, and while the $30 daily may be reachable with 3000 referrals (i get around $15 with 1700 referrals), the costs of renting lower mean the pure profit is nowhere near that high. It's profitable, but not all that much. About the payments, yes there are some significant delays.  In hindsight, but I rushed in a bit, since Sophie wasn't faring too bad with the payments, but right now it's still not reliable enough to inspire confidence. Actually, these kinds of return promises are not completely lies, just partial lies. You see a lot of people telling you can earn $100 daily on Neobux. And that's true. I earn around $100 daily. I could withdraw $100 everyday if I wished to. IF I wanted to just leave my account to die. If I want to keep it going, I spend around $80 daily in renewing referrals and memberships. Of course, that doesn't sound as pretty on paper as writing $100 everyday.

My concern however is closer to how active are the people there and how real are the active rented referrals..
If a site is using bots, even if they are profitable at the moment, the admin has the power to reduce everyone's profits with the click of a button.. that's why I mostly stay away from RRs.. I don't like the idea of the admin being in control of what I can earn and also I don't like limits..

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th May, 2014 at 2:22pm:

Actually, these kinds of return promises are not completely lies, just partial lies. You see a lot of people telling you can earn $100 daily on Neobux. And that's true. I earn around $100 daily. I could withdraw $100 everyday if I wished to. IF I wanted to just leave my account to die. If I want to keep it going, I spend around $80 daily in renewing referrals and memberships. Of course, that doesn't sound as pretty on paper as writing $100 everyday.

Yes, that is what I thought. The problem with these types of sales jobs is it gets people's hopes up and then opens them up to disappointment down the road. So they lock into a paid upgrade for a year and then they need to work it for that long just to make their money back. This isn't very helpful for the industry. Sure, you make your money in the first year but you are not building a legacy

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th May, 2014 at 4:48pm:

Can we really use the term "succeed"? Considering it crashed at around 1 year? True, it was Paypal limitation that led to its downfall, but then again, so do many PTC sites. Can we really call a site which wasn't prepared to deal with this a success? After all, a PTC site is not just its earning model. It has got to have a whole lot more to back it up. Sadly, the admin of PTCbox wasn't up to that task.

I see your point. On the other hand, I've not seen another affiliate / PTC program that shot off, had that many signups + visitors within a short time span like the way PTCBox did. Thus wouldn't mind another "PTCBox" opportunity, that is just their strength and not its drawbacks.

I'd say ojooo's 4 million members in 1 year are pretty close to that, if they're indeed real. Of course, their problems with payments and cheaters comes to show that growing too quickly may be a liability.

Sometimes one has to try to start a revolution so that even if it fails others can continue from where he left things, later on..

What PTCBox admin tried to tell us is that pay per click doesn't matter that much when your traffic is sky high and your site is crawling with advertisers that would purchase any possible spot at almost any price... they were literally lining up so quickly that PTCBox just didn't have enough available advertising space to serve them all.. I'm sure most of you guys here remember that..

As for the impossible pay per click rate ($0.10 / click at the highest clicker upgrade of $100) it may seem too much but since it had 2 or 3 sponsored ads only it is no different than what the sites offer nowadays, only you need to click 20-50 ads a day to reach that amount.. that doesn't mean they are not sponsored ads at most of the cases..

The important part is that up until the day of the limitation payments were instantly delivered and there were no delays except from errored transactions.. so everybody until its very last moment was happy with it... That is the reason why I call PTCBox a success.

Sure it might have failed if the limitation hadn't happened, but still an "if" alone is not enough as a proof of anything... The program was already in the top online money making and instantly paying sites of all times for almost a year and at the time of the limitation we know it had ~$20.000 in its PayPal account so there was enough room for upcoming payments as well.. There had never been money issues (except for delays in the AlertPay payments that required manual depositing so it normally took some time)..

And to complete my thoughts sharing... I would personally say that for me no other program and admin combination has ever been as inspiring as in PTCBox... (and apparently for a lot of other people as well..)

Ok, I have to quote this video once again..:
There is one more thing.. It's been emotional! :P

ruicarlov wrote on 31^st May, 2014 at 4:47pm:

I'd say ojooo's 4 million members in 1 year are pretty close to that, if they're indeed real. Of course, their problems with payments and cheaters comes to show that growing too quickly may be a liability.

Do they accept text ads on Ojooo's homepage?

dansbanners wrote on 31^st May, 2014 at 10:15pm:

Do they accept text ads on Ojooo's homepage?

Good question! I'm also interested in that..

Not directly, but you can buy 1-day text ad exposure via Adhitz.
I've refreshed the homepage several times, and while the relative position of each text ad changes, it does seem they are fixed.

How can you guys say PTCBox was a success?
That site was a scam since day 1... actually even before the site was launched, it was already a scam.

They lied to people 2 years before opening the site and 1 year while managing.
Not even the people running the site were who they really said they were.

Was it profitable for "some" members while it lasted? Yes
A success? No, not even close.

Well, speaking of success, we should just keep the term pointing to each one's success with it..
Let's not waste the point of the subject.. it's about what each one of us can get from what happened at PTCBox and benefit through it..
Etc, I benefited from it by opening this community and getting strong partners through it.

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 2:02am:

Well, speaking of success, we should just keep the term pointing to each one's success with it.. Let's not waste the point of the subject.. it's about what each one of us can get from what happened at PTCBox and benefit through it.. Etc, I benefited from it by opening this community and getting strong partners through it.

Ok... i guess i missed the point of the thread.
I see you got it nice out of it, thats cool  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Specter wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 2:08am:

Ok... i guess i missed the point of the thread. I see you got it nice out of it, thats cool  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

It's ok, Dan started the thread and a few posts afterwards he explained why to make things clear.. :


dansbanners wrote on 31^st May, 2014 at 3:22am:

I see your point. On the other hand, I've not seen another affiliate / PTC program that shot off, had that many signups + visitors within a short time span like the way PTCBox did. Thus wouldn't mind another "PTCBox" opportunity, that is just their strength and not its drawbacks.

From his point of view, we can agree that it was successful..
(by signups he means signups to programs he advertised there.. ClixSense for example..)

Part of the idea is that I wouldn't mind to find another affiliate / PTC program that provided advertising opportunities to the members or advertisers like the way PTCBox did.

To put it in perspective, I got over 200,000 clicks and 6K signups to a program just from placing a text ad on their main page.

dansbanners wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 2:40am:

Part of the idea is that I wouldn't mind to find another affiliate / PTC program that provided advertising opportunities to the members or advertisers like the way PTCBox did. To put it in perspective, I got over 200,000 clicks and 6K signups to a program just from placing a text ad on their main page.

Because their site was getting crazy traffic.
Was same when people were advertising Neobux like crazy and they had banner ads on main page, you would get 300 refs from 1 day banner ad on Neo.

It happens with every hot site, I will however admit that PTCbox managed to gather an unbelievable hype around it.

Specter wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 2:56am:

Because their site was getting crazy traffic. Was same when people were advertising Neobux like crazy and they had banner ads on main page, you would get 300 refs from 1 day banner ad on Neo. It happens with every hot site, I will however admit that PTCbox managed to gather an unbelievable hype around it.

Yes, I also remember some of the members telling the admin "that while you try to sort out the paypal issue, why don't you at least keep the advertising aspect of the site open and continue to pull in good revenues..." to no avail.

dansbanners wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 4:32am:

Yes, I also remember some of the members telling the admin "that while you try to sort out the paypal issue, why don't you at least keep the advertising aspect of the site open and continue to pull in good revenues..." to no avail.

Yeah i remember that :)

Specter wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 2:08am:

Ok... i guess i missed the point of the thread. I see you got it nice out of it, thats cool  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

I lost cash from he main site myself but made it up on the earnings from advertising I bought there so it was a wash for me. Many people did get burned and I can't rule out the possibility that it was set up to be a scam from the start. If the whole site was set up to create a paypal limitation, then yes, it was a scam. I can't prove it one way or another and I have moved past it myself

I guess the best thing to come out of it was the new friends we made.

Welcome back

For me, sites like Nerdbux or PTCBox are in no way a success, the positive results that some had from their advertising or downlines etc... is only the result of a lie or at least misleading informations given by the administrators and loss of other members.
Earnings one way or another from such cons having hurt others can't be considered as positive in any way imho.

sophieca wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 9:09am:

For me, sites like Nerdbux or PTCBox are in no way a success, the positive results that some had from their advertising or downlines etc... is only the result of a lie or at least misleading informations given by the administrators and loss of other members. Earnings one way or another from such cons having hurt others can't be considered as positive in any way imho.

Nailed it  :cool1

I think there are too many PTC / Bux programs out there that are too much alike. How often does this happen whereas you'd notice a new PTC program only to see that it's just like the tons of PTC programs already out there.

I think that's what made PTCBox stand out was that it was actually different than the other PTC programs out there. And do recall disagreeing with those that were trying to encourage the admin to make it more like the "PTC / Bux" programs out there. Saying that cause PTCBox is different is what makes it stand out.

moneymarketing wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 8:09am:

I lost cash from he main site myself but made it up on the earnings from advertising I bought there so it was a wash for me. Many people did get burned and I can't rule out the possibility that it was set up to be a scam from the start. If the whole site was set up to create a paypal limitation, then yes, it was a scam. I can't prove it one way or another and I have moved past it myself I guess the best thing to come out of it was the new friends we made. Welcome back

Well, i could actually prove to you that indeed all the set up of the site was a scam, but as you say, we moved along that now, so why bother :)

And thanks for the warm welcome  [smiley=z02-thanks.gif]

It doesn't matter much now really.. I think this is what would be more interesting now.. :

What would you guys think could make a PTC program these days reach that kind of activity and not fail?

How could somebody keep the balance between advertisers, members and the administraton of the site and keep em all happy?

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Jun, 2014 at 3:26pm:

It doesn't matter much now really.. I think this is what would be more interesting now.. : What would you guys think could make a PTC program these days reach that kind of activity and not fail? How could somebody keep the balance between advertisers, members and the administraton of the site and keep em all happy?

Lets say i am wrong, and they had good intentions...

PTCBox was in a unique position.

When you can say:
"From same owners as XPTO, open for 10 years"
That gives you a huge boost in people promoting it and trusting it like crazy.

PTCbox was a thing that will never happen again, unless ClixSense or Neobux opens a new site, or a real life company, lets say Amazon for example, gets into PTC, there is no way a stable, here to stay site will have the insane fast growth PTCBox had.

You can look at Nerdbux.
Just like PTCBox, the owners were also running sites for years, bla bla bla... What happened?
They came in, they grew like crazy and they went.

For a site to "balance between advertisers, members and the administraton of the site and keep em all happy" the closest you can get is open a site like ClixSense, a perfect hybrid between PTC and GPT.

The thing is, even for ClixSense to arrive where it is, it took it a long, long time.
We all love how profitable ClixSense is the past couple of years, but the first years of ClixSense under the previous Admin, or you would have a lot of referrals or would be a very little profitable site for members, with very slow earnings.

Also to open a site like that, one would need a substancial financial backup, some few thousands $, so probably if you have that money to invest, you are better off investing in something else more safe, so i really cant see another stable, here to stay, big site coming