I received the following email today from NerdBux with this announcement :


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Hiya SolidSnake , We've got a huge announcement today and we're very excited to let you in on something very special.. A brand new PTC is launching right now that is from one of our trusted partners, LegacyClix! We have never gotten behind a new PTC and we're honored to help launch this new program... This is going to be a HUGE PTC! Please note: The LegacyClix team has a brand new look and design that will be set up tomorrow, we're letting you know about this before ANYONE else in the industry! Join today and get ready to experience a brand new standard in PTC advertising! Enjoy LegacyClix! The TimTech Nerds P.S. This has the potential to be the next NerdBux...yeah we said it ;)

Seems like they will heavily benefit from this site and therefore support it as well.
It has not been launched yet and just today it got already 2633 new members..

I joined to check out their advertising options and prices and it's nothing special besides having a good promoting potential.
But since TimTech are behind them it will be kinda easy to promote. So I went ahead and created some tools and used some
free advertising options I had, to promote it for a couple of the following days.. I'll keep you up to date with my results.

The banners I created for this specific campaign are these :

http://imageshack.com/a/img11/3893/wusm.gif
http://imageshack.com/a/img11/3893/wusm.gif

http://imageshack.com/a/img163/2707/otd.gif
http://imageshack.com/a/img163/2707/otd.gif

As always feel free to use them.

The site growing rate is insane!  :o
3756 new members today so far!

Personally, I think it's really annoying when people launch a site when it's not ready, using us as guinea pigs and making many members who promote the site losing money ....

Sometime some of the owners launch a new site to get the initial burst of cash.

Really, you don't wanna know what I really think about this launch !!!  :censored

Don't want to put SS in trouble  ;)

Lol.. Speak freely Sophie, it's ok as I am already into trouble..  ;D
Well, at least I use mostly free advertising or credits that were remaining from some previous campaigns, to advertise LegacyClix. So I'm fine with whatever result I get.

But it's really a war going on out there..

dansbanners wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 3:00pm:

Sometime some of the owners launch a new site to get the initial burst of cash.

It seems they brought that 'trick' over from the TEs. Use their email list to market to their members in competition with their own members. That does not make for a level playing field. Maybe they should stand back and leave some scraps for the ones that are putting food on their tables.

Nothing more frustrating than seeing five or six sites send mails to their members talking about a new launch knowing that they got advanced notice of their membership

I hope they don't plan on continuing those practices in the PTC industry where an elite circle of owners market their stuff to the lower tiers of members. That is very unethical in my opinion and when they started front running their memberships like that in the TE's that is when things started dying there. You can't continue to take from people so that you can (literally) make thousands of dollars and expect them to keep showing up for pennies. This was their mindset and they saw nothing wrong with it

They have already seen that they can get very rich giving something to their members. There is no need to take it all for themselves and give the leftovers to everyone else. Greed is what will kill this industry when everyone starts thinking of himself first

I can't believe they so badly failed with the TE's and now they think they can do the same thing in the PTC industry. Did they think it was the TE format that failed? NO! It was their using and exploiting of their members that made people walk away to an industry that actually paid people in a fairer way.

He who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it

Fortunately there are generous and wise owners in the PTC arena that will keep these guys honest

I refuse to join any PTC that is pushed on me selfishly by other PTC sites unless I am paid to click on those links

Well, we call that push on us by owners, they say they give us an opportunity to have notice in advance .... when it's send to 200+ K members, I think it's playing semantics here, it's not heads up in advance, it's a "launch".

In TE it's all about marketing, branding, being the popular guy and then you can do whatever you want because some others will blindly follow. Then the popular one makes the money and the rest ..... clicks.

In PTC imho, it's all about business and money, you can be a nice guy and have many friends but if your site doesn't work the way it should, ya better fix it asap and give compensation to your members who have lost because of it otherwhise you won't be considered as a pro.

I do hope as well that the TE marketing strategies with the countless flattering followers won't invade the PTC  :-?



I hope you're not in serious trouble SS ;)

SolidSnake wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 4:19pm:

Lol.. Speak freely Sophie, it's ok as I am already into trouble..  ;D Well, at least I use mostly free advertising or credits that were remaining from some previous campaigns, to advertise LegacyClix. So I'm fine with whatever result I get. But it's really a war going on out there..

War ?

War for referrals at Legacy you mean ?

moneymarketing wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 4:28pm:

It seems they brought that 'trick' over from the TEs. Use their email list to market to their members in competition with their own members. That does not make for a level playing field. Maybe they should stand back and leave some scraps for the ones that are putting food on their tables. ... I refuse to join any PTC that is pushed on me selfishly by other PTC sites unless I am paid to click on those links

It's always been that problem with humanity.. People with power, always seek more power... (converting profits to power..)
Spamming their own members.. isn't this what every ebook coming from the so called money making "gurus" is about?
They keep saying that the most important thing is to "build your list".. (so that you can spam them all you want afterwards).
Unfortunately as much unethical as it is, it works and we can't prevent that from happening.. usually their T.o.S. state that
by using their programs you agree to receive these emails.. you want to opt-out? You can always cancel your agreement..

By the way I have included this in my new T.o.S... :


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We will not send you any email that contains links pointing outside the PTCBox.Me domain. The only exception to this rule is that we have the right to send you a copy of your order details including the links you have submitted for your own advertising purposes. Therefore we will not use your email to promote anything beyond our own (PTCBox.Me) advertising services and site related sections on the same domain (such as our forum, articles etc).

It's not the best anti-spam policy but ok, you get the picture.


sophieca wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 4:43pm:

War ? War for referrals at Legacy you mean ?

Yep, that's what I'm talking about.. if you take a look at every possible PTC program online you'll notice at least 3-5 ads
(PTCs or Banners) pointing to LegacyClix.. It pops up practically everywhere.. :)


sophieca wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 4:41pm:

I hope you're not in serious trouble SS

Well, I'm not in economical trouble at least.. (can't promise anything about brain damage though..  [smiley=crazy.gif] [smiley=lolx.gif])

Haha, yes I have seen it advertised everywhere, it's crazy !

I am now at 97 directs but I know only 4 or 5 of them will be active. This is why it so annoyed me that we are limited with 100 DR without it being mentioned clearly.
I buy many refs knowing very well that only a small percent will be active, had I known that I am limited at 100 and that I have to pay to delete the inactives, I might have advertised differently .... or not at all.

My bad I guess, should have known it would go this way ....

SolidSnake wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 6:18pm:

Well, I'm not in economical trouble at least.. (can't promise anything about brain damage though..  [smiley=crazy.gif] [smiley=lolx.gif])

Oh oh, I hope you'll keep your sanity :)

sophieca wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 6:46pm:

Oh oh, I hope you'll keep your sanity :)

( Just between us.. I lost it a long time ago.. I think it's almost 28 years ago.. - Oh, wait.. I'm 27..  :o )

sophieca wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Haha, yes I have seen it advertised everywhere, it's crazy ! I am now at 97 directs but I know only 4 or 5 of them will be active. This is why it so annoyed me that we are limited with 100 DR without it being mentioned clearly. I buy many refs knowing very well that only a small percent will be active, had I known that I am limited at 100 and that I have to pay to delete the inactives, I might have advertised differently .... or not at all. My bad I guess, should have known it would go this way ....

Pay to remove directs? Ouch :o
But yeah, this legacy thing is crazy. I don't think even PTCbox had that many advertising everywhere during its launch, and it was one hugely advertised site.

By that way, who failed with TEs? You mean traffic exchanges, right?

moneymarketing wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 4:28pm:

It seems they brought that 'trick' over from the TEs. Use their email list to market to their members in competition with their own members. That does not make for a level playing field. Maybe they should stand back and leave some scraps for the ones that are putting food on their tables. Nothing more frustrating than seeing five or six sites send mails to their members talking about a new launch knowing that they got advanced notice of their membership I hope they don't plan on continuing those practices in the PTC industry where an elite circle of owners market their stuff to the lower tiers of members. That is very unethical in my opinion and when they started front running their memberships like that in the TE's that is when things started dying there. You can't continue to take from people so that you can (literally) make thousands of dollars and expect them to keep showing up for pennies. This was their mindset and they saw nothing wrong with it They have already seen that they can get very rich giving something to their members. There is no need to take it all for themselves and give the leftovers to everyone else. Greed is what will kill this industry when everyone starts thinking of himself first I can't believe they so badly failed with the TE's and now they think they can do the same thing in the PTC industry. Did they think it was the TE format that failed? NO! It was their using and exploiting of their members that made people walk away to an industry that actually paid people in a fairer way. He who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat it Fortunately there are generous and wise owners in the PTC arena that will keep these guys honest I refuse to join any PTC that is pushed on me selfishly by other PTC sites unless I am paid to click on those links

I think it's also a question of that some of the owners learned from past experience that they do get that "initial burst of cash" after the program's launch is hyped up before the "new" novelty eventually wears off.

It even says in one of their banners "Get in first, this program is going to be huge!" or something to that sort. To put it in perspective the extent they're building on the hype and all.

ruicarlov wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 9:44pm:

By that way, who failed with TEs? You mean traffic exchanges, right?

Yes, TEs=Traffic Exchanges

ruicarlov wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 9:44pm:

But yeah, this legacy thing is crazy. I don't think even PTCbox had that many advertising everywhere during its launch, and it was one hugely advertised site.

Just for the record, I had over 200K clicks to a text ad in PTCBox.

:o Did you advertise in the entire internet or something?

ruicarlov wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 9:44pm:

Pay to remove directs? Ouch :o But yeah, this legacy thing is crazy. I don't think even PTCbox had that many advertising everywhere during its launch, and it was one hugely advertised site. By that way, who failed with TEs? You mean traffic exchanges, right?

I was referring to the owners of TE's. They didn't necessarily fail but they usually lose a member once they discover the PTCs because people realize they can make a lot more money that way. I consider the TE industry a feeder for the PTC industry. The average PTC site is much larger than the average TE.

Only sites like easyhits4U stay big and grow and one reason is because they are very friendly with the PTC industry but you'll notice that not a lot of TEs are advertised in PTCs. Members of PTCs obviously aren't at all interested

dansbanners wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 10:41pm:

I think it's also a question of that some of the owners learned from past experience that they do get that "initial burst of cash" after the program's launch is hyped up before the "new" novelty eventually wears off. It even says in one of their banners "Get in first, this program is going to be huge!" or something to that sort. To put it in perspective the extent they're building on the hype and all.

That is true but when they keep on taking the prime meat for themselves they end up cannibalizing the industry. Pretty soon members begin to realize they are getting leftovers after the big dogs have fed and they stop participating. Thus, the pie ends up shrinking and this makes the owners even more desperate and greedy to sting the weaker members. So people look for other opportunities.

You can only take advantage of people so much before they walk and when they see that their effort are buying you a house while they barely make a couple bucks a month, they are going to walk. Then it begins to work like a ponzi or a matrix where the people on the bottom stop paying and that causes the people on the middle to stop making profits so they stop paying. It works its way back up through the pyramid until it gets to the top.

There is no way these guys would be in PTCs if they were still making huge amounts of cash over there. They better smarten up and listen this time because no one wants to see them bring their cannibalizing methods into the PTCs to see the same thing happen all over again.

If they see some short term success doing what they are doing then we could see some other owners copying their methods or allying with them thinking that they are going to cash in. The problem is that it will suck all the energy out of the industry and we will be stuck looking for a new industry again.

ruicarlov wrote on 8^th Dec, 2013 at 11:02pm:

:o Did you advertise in the entire internet or something?

No, all I did was to place the text ad in PTCBox. It does give you an idea on how many hits PTCBox was getting. :)

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Dec, 2013 at 12:33am:

That is true but when they keep on taking the prime meat for themselves they end up cannibalizing the industry. Pretty soon members begin to realize they are getting leftovers after the big dogs have fed and they stop participating. Thus, the pie ends up shrinking and this makes the owners even more desperate and greedy to sting the weaker members. So people look for other opportunities. You can only take advantage of people so much before they walk and when they see that their effort are buying you a house while they barely make a couple bucks a month, they are going to walk. Then it begins to work like a ponzi or a matrix where the people on the bottom stop paying and that causes the people on the middle to stop making profits so they stop paying. It works its way back up through the pyramid until it gets to the top. There is no way these guys would be in PTCs if they were still making huge amounts of cash over there. They better smarten up and listen this time because no one wants to see them bring their cannibalizing methods into the PTCs to see the same thing happen all over again. If they see some short term success doing what they are doing then we could see some other owners copying their methods or allying with them thinking that they are going to cash in. The problem is that it will suck all the energy out of the industry and we will be stuck looking for a new industry again.

Alright, let's not get sidetracked here. Concentrate on our own growth, the positives, our team in the forum, etc.  ;)

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Dec, 2013 at 2:50am:

Alright, let's not get sidetracked here. Concentrate on our own growth, the positives, our team in the forum, etc.  ;)

Speaking of which, once I settle down with ads page's new script.. I plan to do some refreshing on the forum..
And then start advertising it again.. to get some more people to join us.. I've really let that down for so long..
We're almost closing one year since the opening.. :)

Btw, getting back to the subject.. here are my current funny looking stats in LegacyClix with just 4 referrals..

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8158/j8om.png

Lol.. if only I could keep that beautiful curve going like that over time..  ::)

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Dec, 2013 at 2:42am:

No, all I did was to place the text ad in PTCBox. It does give you an idea on how many hits PTCBox was getting. :)

Ah, ok. I thought you meant you advertised PTCbox in a text ad, and got 200k clicks to it.

Still climbing...

http://imageshack.com/a/img89/2661/i0c9.png

Remember, this is what I said just last month


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I hope they don't plan on continuing those practices in the PTC industry where an elite circle of owners market their stuff to the lower tiers of members. That is very unethical in my opinion and when they started front running their memberships like that in the TE's that is when things started dying there. You can't continue to take from people so that you can (literally) make thousands of dollars and expect them to keep showing up for pennies. This was their mindset and they saw nothing wrong with it

and.......


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Hiya Dynamic , There's been quite a few clone sites that have played off our brand in the past few weeks and they have claimed to be the sister site or endorsed by NerdBux....The only new PTC we have endorsed and supported has been Legacy Clix....Until now... A huge launch has just started - Dr. Clix Owned by John Novak, we have worked closely with him for quite some time. He is a new brand of PTC owner who actually SHOWS up everyday and pays on time without fail. Join this awesome sauce PTC right now and be the first to get in! This is Dr. Clix and we're honored to help launch it! The TimTech Nerds

::)

So are we going to see them flood our industry with a new site each month that is owned primarily by one of their favored partners until they saturate the industry and suck all the money out of it for themselves?

They  did it in the TE industry.

Will these guys never learn?

When I read that post today I immediately remebered this topic. Wanna place some bets on which site is coming up February?  ::)

OK, I challenged them. I had to. Maybe they don't see what they are doing but it is good to get it into the air

http://www.nerdbux.com/forum.php?topic=56866

As usual, they got defensive and angry about it. They haven't changed

and they locked the topic

::)

Gutless!

I better post it here as this might be disappeared:


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I hope you guys don't plan on saturating the bux market with new bux sites like you did the TE industry. Sure, it makes a lot of money for you and owners on the short term when you help them launch a new site but everyone else gets second place and is left with pennies. If you'll recall, the saturation and you guys getting all the referrals up front at launch was the thing that drained all the money from the TE industry and we all ended up here (I started in the TE industry and have been around for over 10 years and have found a way to make monthly cash flow, so I know what I am talking about). If you keep promoting ahead of your members then they have no incentive to stay in the industry and the thing will die from the bottom up. You've helped to launch two sites in two months. Are you going to launch a new one every month? Please think long term and not about what you can make for yourselves in the short term or you will do this industry harm. I'm saying this not to offend you but because I think you are bringing a wrongheaded strategy that did serious damage to the TE industry and could do the same here. In other words, I'm am saying this for all our benefit. We can't afford to cannibalize the little people and expect them to continue to work for pennies Jon Olson Yeah because before NerdBux, there wasn't a ton of PTC sites launching every day right? For the record...'Us guys' didn't launch TE's one after another. We actually have only launched one TE in the history of TimTech, and that was before TimTech was even 'timtech' lol (Tim and Jon launched Sweeva before Justin became a part of our company) Nah this attitude just sucks on so many levels. Don't do this because of that. Don't do that because of this. 1 - We don't own either Legacy Clix or Dr Clix 2 - Smart business is to help the people closest to you. So when they say they wanna do something, we support them. 3 - We're in the habit of providing long term value above and beyond what people think. So I'm sure while we endorse 2 sites in the 7 months of our history in the PTC world, the other 10 new PTC a week that don't get endorsed by us don't count right... dynamic So why are you over here then Jon and not still making a fortune in the TE industry if that strategy works so well? Jon Olson We don't limit ourselves. We do just fine in the TE industry, ask our competition. Justin Ledvina Don't be bitter be better.

LOCKED TOPIC

Well, the thread is locked already.. well.. not unxpectedly..
I think it's better not to attack them on their own forum..
There are so many other places where you can do it freely..
This way more members might be able to contribute.. :)

[edit]Btw, drclix seems to be down already.. They probably didn't do their homework well.. and once again.. traffic is getting wasted. However if they get back online it seems like advertising on their homepage would be a good option with all the traffic nerdbux is sending them.. provided that they offer that option.. In LegacyClix featured links option is still disabled..[/edit]

[edit]It's back up...[/edit]

Of course that blaming them for sucking all the money of TE woudn't make for proper discussion topic. If people feel they're being attacked they get defensive. And claims so broad like "All TEs" is bound to make you look like one of the usual troublemakers in the forum, even if the rest of your post was more toned down.

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Jan, 2014 at 10:57pm:

Well, the thread is locked already.. well.. not unxpectedly.. I think it's better not to attack them on their own forum.. There are so many other places where you can do it freely.. This way more members might be able to contribute.. :)

yes....but....if I were so far out in left field they would not have locked the thing down.

You need to understand that at the peak of the TE boom there were people that they were associated with who were selling turnkey TE sites for people to pay (something like $10K) for and step right in to be an owner. To say they never launched more than one is very deceptive on his part. Yes, they may have only launched one TE but they could also now say they only launched one PTC ....nerdbux. Do you see what they are saying? They didn't launch legacy and Dr, but they are promoting the launch....for their own benefit to their customers, ahead of their advertising customers(they are in the business to sell advertising are they not? Why not offer an ad deal to the members wanting to promote Drclix?)

This is the same thing a handful of TE owners would do when a new TE launched (BTW, I'll bet legacy is promoting this new PTC also). The top five or ten owners plus star marketers and advertisers would market the new TE to their membership and lists. So that could be up to 50% of all active TE members. So they take 50% of the first flood of joiners and the workers got to fight and promote what was leftover.

These guys (maybe the top 100 elite 'inner circle' exclusive email list) would make thousands of dollars and thousands of referrals off an initial launch and the next 25K - 50K people would divide the leftovers.

It was a plantation mentality. The firstfruits went to the plantation 'owners'.....always....and the leftovers went to........us and as far as they were concerned, never the twain should meet. Some people complained about the unfairness of the marketing setup and they effectively said, "Tough, if you want in on the spoils you can fork out the $10K it takes to start up a TE and then we might decide to help you launch. Other wise, if you're not willing to spend that kind of money, you are not serious about being in business. Get lost!" The smaller folk did not have that kind of money like many of the folks in the PTC industry do not now. So they were consigned to the second (or third) tier of earnings

Of course, the launches got smaller and smaller as the internet got bigger and bigger. The market saturated and many of us saw the writing on the wall and left for the PTC industry where the playing promoting and earnings fields were more level. There is a reason most of us don't start a PTC, we don't need to in order to make money

These guys, in their greed, can't seem or are not humble enough, to grasp that concept

ruicarlov wrote on 6^th Jan, 2014 at 11:21pm:

Of course that blaming them for sucking all the money of TE woudn't make for proper discussion topic. If people feel they're being attacked they get defensive. And claims so broad like "All TEs" is bound to make you look like one of the usual troublemakers in the forum, even if the rest of your post was more toned down.

Gutless http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/evilgrin/evilgrin0030.gif

I don't disaggree with you.. neither does rui (based on my understanding)..
It's true that what they do is unethical and selfish.. I bet that if they wrote an ebook about "the key to success"
their favorite part would be the "Create Your List" one.. because it's their most successful method so far.

It's not like you said anything wrong to them..  it's just that you wrote it in their own forum..
There's not much to gain by getting banned.. On the other hand, I feel it's always better
to speak kindly in a way that they won't even dare to reply to you.. :)

If you do so in a place where they have no power over you.. then it's even better.  :cool1

SolidSnake wrote on 7^th Jan, 2014 at 1:57am:

I don't disaggree with you.. neither does rui (based on my understanding).. It's true that what they do is unethical and selfish.. I bet that if they wrote an ebook about "the key to success" their favorite part would be the "Create Your List" one.. because it's their most successful method so far. It's not like you said anything wrong to them..  it's just that you wrote it in their own forum.. There's not much to gain by getting banned.. On the other hand, I feel it's always better to speak kindly in a way that they won't even dare to reply to you.. :) If you do so in a place where they have no power over you.. then it's even better.  :cool1

Yes, I understand you but by doing it where I did I was speaking directly to them and showing that I had already written them off (by expecting how they would react). I was also proving to myself that they are still doing what they are doing by the way they reacted

Now I know to avoid that 'group' as much as possible. They also may have lost me as an advertiser. I'm really mad that they are here based on 'what we can get out of it for ourselves' and not as a 'how can we work together' situation

I think we'd also be better off to focus on our own team, our own growth and not worry about what they may or may not be doing. IMHO.

Like you said, if needed, just don't join any more of their programs.

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Jan, 2014 at 3:09am:

I think we'd also be better off to focus on our own team, our own growth and not worry about what they may or may not be doing. IMHO. Like you said, if needed, just don't join any more of their programs.

Yes, and I just want to apologize to you guys if I've gone overboard on this topic but the way people act sometimes just drives me nuts because I know that people are going to get used and hurt and there really is no reason for it

Selfishness is a disease

No sweat moneymarketing. Now we'll pick up where we left off with our team. :)