I've just noticed a couple of facts about PTCSolution but I'm not sure it's stable enough to last.
They offer revenue shares at $30 that return $34.5 to standard members.
Not only that but with each share we receive 1000 PTC Credits and 50000 Banner Ad Credits.
The site has 51790 members and fixed ad costs $10 / day.

They currently have the following ads available :

5 fixed ads that pay $0.001 per click and $0.001 per referral click
4 standard ads that pay $0.005 per click and $0.0025 per referral click
4 mini ads that pay $0.003 per click and $0.001 per referral click
8 micro ads that pay $0.001 per click and $0.0005 per referral click

At this rate personal clicks pay $0.045 / day and 1 fully active referral earns us $0.023 / day.
Calculating more, 100 active refs would earn us $2.3 / day.

Also they offer 5% per purchase from direct referral + 1% per purchase through 4 more tiers.
All of these facts stand for standard members. Premium upgrade is $29 / year and has some a couple of improvements.

Do you think this site can last?

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Oct, 2013 at 1:09am:

I've just noticed a couple of facts about PTCSolution but I'm not sure it's stable enough to last. They offer revenue shares at $30 that return $34.5 to standard members. Not only that but with each share we receive 1000 PTC Credits and 50000 Banner Ad Credits. The site has 51790 members and fixed ad costs $10 / day. They currently have the following ads available : 5 fixed ads that pay $0.001 per click and $0.001 per referral click 4 standard ads that pay $0.005 per click and $0.0025 per referral click 4 mini ads that pay $0.003 per click and $0.001 per referral click 8 micro ads that pay $0.001 per click and $0.0005 per referral click At this rate personal clicks pay $0.045 / day and 1 fully active referral earns us $0.023 / day. Calculating more, 100 active refs would earn us $2.3 / day. Also they offer 5% per purchase from direct referral + 1% per purchase through 4 more tiers. All of these facts stand for standard members. Premium upgrade is $29 / year and has some a couple of improvements. Do you think this site can last?

I guess it depends on if they have other sources of revenue. They probably sell banner ads and what about referrals? Plus, not all members are downline members of someone else(unless referrals are assigned). Many members are going to be the direct downline of the program owner because they sign up at the home page

They have tons of ways to make cash. I doubt they pay a commission on the login ads. Those are probably a cash cow for them. Even if they do pay a commission, they don't pay people to click on them so that is free money even if they do pay out 10%. Plus they can put their own ads in there. Very lucrative

http://www.ptcsolution.com/index.php?view=advertise

The nice thing about the revenue share is that there is no time limit on that. your 1000 ad credits will pay $7.5 to every member who has an upline so the other $22.5 goes back to the revenue share. The banner ads are eaten up by organic site traffic and have no time limit on completion. I guess it is safe to say the share plan is pretty much a ponzi but it is not like it won't pay out and since it has no time limit there is no risk there either

They also have a traffic exchange. Do they pay money or credits for the traffic?

This is actually a plan that I might consider investing in

Does someone want to put this in the downline builder. I'll gladly be on the bottom for this one. I think it will work

You mean PTCSolution?
Well I'm already in the program so you could join me and put your link in the downline builder.

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Oct, 2013 at 8:46pm:

You mean PTCSolution? Well I'm already in the program so you could join me and put your link in the downline builder.

put yours in there and then I'll jump on

moneymarketing wrote on 6^th Oct, 2013 at 4:00am:

The nice thing about the revenue share is that there is no time limit on that. your 1000 ad credits will pay $7.5 to every member who has an upline so the other $22.5 goes back to the revenue share. The banner ads are eaten up by organic site traffic and have no time limit on completion. I guess it is safe to say the share plan is pretty much a ponzi but it is not like it won't pay out and since it has no time limit there is no risk there either They also have a traffic exchange. Do they pay money or credits for the traffic? This is actually a plan that I might consider investing in

wait a minute. There is a time limit on that. That is paid out every month. That adds a little more risk to the formula. I suppose down the road they can always remove the monthly limit if they get into trouble. 15% isn't too hard a goal to accomplish, especially as the site grows

Tried some rented refs just to test them out and received my first bad vibe from this program..

Anyone else sees a pattern here?

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8487/y0aa.png

10 x $0.01 = $0.10
13 x $0.005 = $0.065
Sum = $0.165/day = $4.95/month

Rented 30 refs for $6.. bad move.. :)

They could at least variate the clicks in order for us not to get suspicious.. but they didn't even bother.. lol
We're talking about a site that offers $0.005 per click while most offer 1/5 of that.. even I that I don't like
to click, whenever I decide to click I click those 4 x $0.005 ads and sometimes 4 x $0.003.. how probable is
it for 10 out of 30 real humans to click just 2 of the $0.005 and 13 of them to click just 1 of them and the rest 0.

I'll check if there will be any variations during the next days..
Just a question.. why are rented referrals names masked? Why did neobux start that technique?

I think it was privacy related stuff. When names were not masked, people could find out who their RRs were and in some cases bother them or spam them. That's also the reason why you stopped being able to send messages to other users. Spamming ensued. And the bigger the site....

ruicarlov wrote on 8^th Oct, 2013 at 2:47pm:

I think it was privacy related stuff. When names were not masked, people could find out who their RRs were and in some cases bother them or spam them. That's also the reason why you stopped being able to send messages to other users. Spamming ensued. And the bigger the site....

But still why is it any different to the direct referrals list?

Plus you can't spam someone just by knowing their username.. you could only use it through the internal messaging system
only but there is an option to disable it through the account settings... and by default it's disabled..

My point is that if you can see their username you could possibly meet them in the forum and know they are humans.
Without it it's impossible.. and also let's not forget that neobux gave us the option to show our username even in the
rented referrals lists of others. I remember having rented some and see some actual usernames between the codes in
the past..

SS, I think it's simply because otherwhise they would have to invent so many usernames to hide that those RRs are bots ... the more I read about the Renting referrals system, the more I am convinced that it is almost always fishy !

sophieca wrote on 8^th Oct, 2013 at 6:25pm:

SS, I think it's simply because otherwhise they would have to invent so many usernames to hide that those RRs are bots ... the more I read about the Renting referrals system, the more I am convinced that it is almost always fishy !

Yep.. exactly what I'm thinking.. it's like this system was made to be fishy from the start..

Yes and watching various forums, it seems some do earn and then those are actively promoting the system in the forum and the people who lose money from the renting system look like idiots who didn't understand how to monitor it properly.

Back then watching at all this, not at PTCSolution but at other sites, I even believed the system was not set up the same way for every member .... so those who were 'lucky' convinced the others to try again and again.

I don't say all the owners play with that system but it sure is tempting when a bit of cash-flow is needed, not ?

I had some doubts and checked again...

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/4162/xzb8.png

Now it's all clear..  :'(

SolidSnake wrote on 8^th Oct, 2013 at 3:22pm:

But still why is it any different to the direct referrals list? Plus you can't spam someone just by knowing their username.. you could only use it through the internal messaging system only but there is an option to disable it through the account settings... and by default it's disabled.. My point is that if you can see their username you could possibly meet them in the forum and know they are humans. Without it it's impossible.. and also let's not forget that neobux gave us the option to show our username even in the rented referrals lists of others. I remember having rented some and see some actual usernames between the codes in the past..

Maybe it was precisely because you could meet those people in the forum. I suspect some unpleasant situations may have happened in the past. People who joined unreffered don't have any sort of "proper connection" to their uplines, since they never contacted them or saw any of their ads.
With direct referrals hiding the usernames would be very inconvenient. Direct referrals may include friends and family, or members recruited through PTSU offers (I know all of mine are  :P ). Not showing their names would make promoting the site much more difficult. Rented referrals can be recyled, so we profit more from a "slot" than from a specific referral.

Forums are always moderated.. if someone gets unpleasant in such a way against another member
he would get kicked out. The only way possible in my opinion would be the personal messaging and
there can always be specific blocks against specific people.

I think the hidden username system is there mostly in the site's favor..
I know if I was to make such a site I would have usernames visible.

If it's visible in direct referrals, and it's also visible in the forum it should be there as well.
It helps with the activity tracking and that's something that sites don't like nowadays.

Btw.. second day in rented referrals activity.. :

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2931/71hb.png

Does anybody still have a doubt?

(Last field is the summary)

I just received my first DR there but more importantly I also purchased my second revenue share. The two will be producing $2.30 per day and give me 2000 credits per month and 100K banner impressions. They will also help to fund my first upgrade.

I will be buying my third share in two weeks when the cash from these two pay for it.  :)

I'm in. Joined under moneymarketing! :)

I also just started the PTCSolution downline builder in the forum. :)

dansbanners wrote on 31^st Oct, 2013 at 1:01pm:

I also just started the PTCSolution downline builder in the forum. :)

Good job!

And I've just upgraded my account to premium for one year.. :)
I've already accumulated $8.30 in my account so it won't take long now to get back the investment as upgraded.

Good thing about PTCSolution is that they offer some good bunch of ads that pay nice rates compared to other PTCs.
There are daily 4 x $0.005 and 4 x $0.003 ads so far.. (double rates for upgraded membership) and the referral earnings
for these are daily 4 x $0.0025 and 4 x $0.001 (double rates for upgraded membership).

And also they offer commissions from referral purchases down to 5 levels.. which is also a good deal.
Only question is if they will make it to stay alive..

Just keep away from renting referrals as they are definitely renting bots.. here is their activity to get the picture :

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5400/jss.png

Unfortunately renting bots is a bad sign for the site but at least we can milk it with direct refs as they are much more profitable.

dansbanners wrote on 31^st Oct, 2013 at 12:50pm:

I'm in. Joined under moneymarketing! :)

Thanks Dan. Kudos and success  :cool1

let's build SS an army  [smiley=12-party.gif]

dansbanners wrote on 31^st Oct, 2013 at 1:01pm:

I also just started the PTCSolution downline builder in the forum. :)

You spelled guaranteed wrong  ;D

SolidSnake wrote on 31^st Oct, 2013 at 2:13pm:

Good job! And I've just upgraded my account to premium for one year.. :) I've already accumulated $8.30 in my account so it won't take long now to get back the investment as upgraded. Good thing about PTCSolution is that they offer some good bunch of ads that pay nice rates compared to other PTCs. There are daily 4 x $0.005 and 4 x $0.003 ads so far.. (double rates for upgraded membership) and the referral earnings for these are daily 4 x $0.0025 and 4 x $0.001 (double rates for upgraded membership). And also they offer commissions from referral purchases down to 5 levels.. which is also a good deal. Only question is if they will make it to stay alive..

I'll be upgrading soon to the first level. I have my five shares and in five days I should have the cash in my account to upgrade

A recent exchange with the PTCS admin:


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Ticket Subject:      Revnue shares not paying? Conversation You, Friday, November 1, 2013 at 12:10 AM Hello, I bought a fifth revenue share two days ago and it is not paying out. It is still stuck on 30 Days. Is there a reason for this? David Administrator, Friday, November 1, 2013 at 12:02 PM Hi mate, problem is found and fixed, please take a look in here: http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=6407 You, Friday, November 1, 2013 at 04:04 PM Thanks a lot. I am looking forward to using my cash flow to upgrade, buy more shares and advertise. I don't think I'll be taking much cash out so as not to put too much burden on the site. Keep up the good work Administrator, Friday, November 1, 2013 at 09:34 PM Take as much cash out as you like, that's why PTCSolution is here. But buying ads it's a good option as well, I can see more and more ppl advertising, my own ads gives me great effects as well. Thanks for the kind words and your investement. Take care.

Anyway, I like to let them know when I'll be spending a lot on their site and reinvesting it so that they don't get nervous about me taking huge amounts of cash out. My primary goal is to build up a huge ad spot. We were trying to do that at PTCbox before.....the incident  :)

Check you account SS, you have a new upgrade!  [smiley=12-party.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 3^rd Nov, 2013 at 1:22am:

Check you account SS, you have a new upgrade!  [smiley=12-party.gif]

Just checked and it's a $2 pending.. good thing I upgraded first. :)

Regarding the "pending" thing their FAQ page says :


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Please bear in mind that both commissions are credited to your account manually and may take up to 45 days to credit your account. We do that as we need to verify every transaction. But in most cases commission might be credited within 2-3 days.

As for the advertising side, how much is packed with the shares?
Never liked shares, but I might give them a try too..

I'm still waiting on their reply for the 3/6 month grid advertising pack.
It was a good sales day for the PTCBox.Me Ads page today, and I've got funds to purchase/renew some big packs now.  [smiley=beer.gif]

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Nov, 2013 at 4:49pm:

Just checked and it's a $2 pending.. good thing I upgraded first. :) Regarding the "pending" thing their FAQ page says : As for the advertising side, how much is packed with the shares? Never liked shares, but I might give them a try too.. I'm still waiting on their reply for the 3/6 month grid advertising pack. It was a good sales day for the PTCBox.Me Ads page today, and I've got funds to purchase/renew some big packs now.  [smiley=beer.gif]

50K banner and 1000 PTCs.

I've also upgraded at PTCSolution! :)

I got my reply to my suggestion for long term grid advertising.. and it was not good.
The admin told me that he hasn't taken care of that section yet and prices are kinda set too low.
So he will firstly come up with new pricing and then he'll think about big packs.
He said I was the first one asking for such a thing.. so I got a bit anxious about them and
purchased the 2 month pack as is at $8 before the price increases.. they deliver ~28000 hits/month.
So now I feel bad for having asked them.. pff..

To ask or not to ask.... that is the question.


Even if the result this time was not good, you've suceeded the previous times. There's no way on knowing what will happen until you do it. Kinda like Schrodinger's cat.

dansbanners wrote on 4^th Nov, 2013 at 12:00am:

I've also upgraded at PTCSolution! :)

BTW, I don't see any other upgrade in my "Referral commission" list.. MM do you see that in yours?
If not maybe we should request support as it's supposed to happen according to their FAQ.

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Nov, 2013 at 9:27pm:

BTW, I don't see any other upgrade in my "Referral commission" list.. MM do you see that in yours? If not maybe we should request support as it's supposed to happen according to their FAQ.

It should be there it is for me

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Nov, 2013 at 9:27pm:

BTW, I don't see any other upgrade in my "Referral commission" list.. MM do you see that in yours? If not maybe we should request support as it's supposed to happen according to their FAQ.

Hope you get it resolved!

dansbanners wrote on 5^th Nov, 2013 at 3:14pm:

Hope you get it resolved!

I'll contact them.. Maybe we've spotted a script bug here..
Dan what is your PTCSolution username?

SolidSnake wrote on 5^th Nov, 2013 at 10:30pm:

I'll contact them.. Maybe we've spotted a script bug here.. Dan what is your PTCSolution username?

dansbanners

Good luck!

SolidSnake wrote on 5^th Nov, 2013 at 10:30pm:

I'll contact them.. Maybe we've spotted a script bug here.. Dan what is your PTCSolution username?

Dan also bought banners ads. I think you should have a commission for that on 10/31

moneymarketing wrote on 6^th Nov, 2013 at 8:16am:

Dan also bought banners ads. I think you should have a commission for that on 10/31

Yes the 100K banner credits for $3

I contacted them through a support ticket and here is what I got :

Me, Wednesday, November 6, 2013 at 02:44 PM

Quote:

Hello, I've been notified that a member of my team, currently in my 2nd tier PTCSolution referrals list, with the username "dansbanners" has upgraded his account and also purchased a banner advertising pack that costs $3. However I still see no commission listed for these transactions in the "Referral Commissions" section. Could you please check it out and let me know what went wrong? Thanks in advance! SolidSnake

PTCSolution Administrator, Wednesday, November 6, 2013 at 04:44 PM

Quote:

Hi There is no bug in here. You can only see your 1st tier transactions in referral commission list. You cannot see anything from 2 to 5th tier but the commission will be added automatically when upline will get credited for the transaction. I'm awaiting more than 2 weeks now for open source script from ptcevo so I can make my own mods but they are very hard to co-operate with..

So, please let me know when you see that commission exiting the "pending" state MM.

And the conversation continued...

Me, Wednesday, November 6, 2013 at 04:56 PM

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Ok, thank you for your time!

Administrator, Wednesday, November 6, 2013 at 04:59 PM

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I want to do some kind of really enchanced stats like ClixSense but with those .... from ptcevo it's gonna take me ages..

Just for the record...

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Nov, 2013 at 5:49pm:

So, please let me know when you see that commission exiting the "pending" state MM.

So, what's the update?

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Nov, 2013 at 2:17pm:

So, what's the update?

Well, since in their FAQ it is stated :


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Please bear in mind that both commissions are credited to your account manually and may take up to 45 days to credit your account. We do that as we need to verify every transaction. But in most cases commission might be credited within 2-3 days.

I guess it may take some time until they credit our commissions..

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Nov, 2013 at 2:17pm:

So, what's the update?

Still pending. It looks like it will be the government version of when the commissions are released. And by that I mean the nature of how fast the money moves when you owe the government money versus when the government owes you money

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Dear Members. As you noticed and you know, as I was sharing info with you - PTCSolution.com PayPal is under review at the moment. I was promised to get my account back 48 hours after this review but it's wednesday today (and the review started on last friday) and still no news. I'm prepared to the worst decisions - complete block of my PayPal account. For last few days I was using my own, personal savings and my wife's PayPal account but as you can imagine - it got blocked as well. They said there was too much transactions going on so they required additional verification on that account. Of course I've provided all the info straight away but I'm still waiting. Let's come back to PTCSolution.com PayPal account. Many of you are going to blame revshares as a reason of current limits.Probably yes, but it wasn't a main reason. They just didn't like the increased volume of payments going in and going out. It happened to some big ptc company recently as well but they had a bunch of well paid lawyers that standed up behind them.And it ended up with 'regular' limits on the account - which I thought, gonna happen on my PayPal account as well. For the moment I'm afraid it won't finish up with some proper agreement between my company and PayPal. At this moment I've blocked all payments comming in and going out as I cannot agree to top up PayPal account while they can just take all my money in few seconds. I'm aware that I have some ways to disagree with them but let's be honest - I'm nobody against them. So at the moment I'm taking - no PayPal in PTCSolution.com strategy. I will do my best to get my account back but I know it might take ages so I don't want to stick with them at the moment, while they are making quite hard time for me. Another thing is you, my dear Members. Many of you invested in the site, got paid several times and now you 'have' to listen to this kind of bad news. I'm aware that some of you might get upset. I can only ask you for one thing - patience. I'm not going nowhere, I've beed in :censored situation in the past and always won them. For the moment we have working Payza and EgoPay payments. But you have to keep in mind that PayPal was the most popular payment method and more than 90% of resources are kept on that bloody, locked account. I ask you to give me your ideas. Please share with me - what you think PTCSolution.com should do. I want to survive, I've put too much my personal money in that site just to say - bye. And what is more - I never give up, never ever.

continued...

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In the worst case scenario my PayPal will be blocked forever. Will find out tommorow probably. If they would do that we have an option to stick with Payza, EgoPay and SolidTrustPay - which I'm going to establish if there would be a need to do it. But also we would need to be patient as there is a lot of money locked on PayPal account so I won't be able to pay all withdrawals straight away on Payza and EgoPay as I never used any money belonging to PTCSolutionc.com and kept them on PayPal account. Before I make final decisions please - share with your ideas with me. Let's keep it going on together. Admin.

:-/ [smiley=sad.gif] :dontknow :beatup >:( :( :-?

moneymarketing wrote on 13^th Nov, 2013 at 11:16pm:

:-/ [smiley=sad.gif] :dontknow :beatup >:( :( :-?

De javu all over again.. the "too many transactions" attack strikes again..
Why does PayPal always pick the best programs I'm working on all the time..?  [smiley=sad.gif] [smiley=sad.gif] [smiley=sad.gif]

Well, to brighten up the mood.. here is a very close to reality inside picture of the PayPal staff..

http://nooch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/paypal-sucks_cartoon.png

Thankfully, I managed to receive my payment from them only a few days ago..
I had second thoughts on it but lastly I decided to withdraw it.. $15.1500..
But considering what I invested in it.. Probably $50+ on advertising and $29 on the upgrade..
I have a good earning rate now thought but only if the site survives the crash..

SolidSnake wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 2:45am:

Thankfully, I managed to receive my payment from them only a few days ago.. I had second thoughts on it but lastly I decided to withdraw it.. $15.1500.. But considering what I invested in it.. Probably $50+ on advertising and $29 on the upgrade.. I have a good earning rate now thought but only if the site survives the crash..

Fortunately, this was the speculative side of my PTC investing. I wasn't counting on it for income and actually was more worried that the share plan was going to go scam due to the amount it was paying out every month. I didn't expect this as being the way it would fall (even though there is still a chance with it)

I guess it shows how much under the thumb of Paypal etc. the PTC industry is. Some site does something well and they absolutely take off within the industry. They become so popular so fast that they grow to 100K members and the transactions from those members are enough to draw PPs eye.

The thing is, they are not generating that much wealth for the industry and yet even at the rate they are going, they quickly get locked down  ::)

I had some misgivings about their revenue share system to begin with thinking "hmm, making money just for the sake of making money? I don't know...".

I also thought that some aspect of the program could have been a little more professional such that the page loaded a little slow at times and all.

Anyway, could one file a paypal dispute?

dansbanners wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 2:50pm:

Anyway, could one file a paypal dispute?

Why do that? That would only add to the problem

Admin's message in PTCSolution forum today..:


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Quick update from PayPal: They send my account to review again to a person responsible for that. They have 3 working days to review it again and then they will come back to me with some details. My wife's account is back so probably this evening I will enable PayPal payments comming in and after some time, withdrawals as well but we would need to workout some limits per member. There is no way I'm gonna put global daily limits as this will really hurt users.

This might relieve some but I personally think it's a bad idea..
Isn't it like using multiple accounts or sth? PayPal might decide to freeze that account as well because of this..

As for the PayPal disputing.. if there's any chance that admin's account comes back then disputes will most likely kill that chance..

SolidSnake wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 9:30pm:

As for the PayPal disputing.. if there's any chance that admin's account comes back then disputes will most likely kill that chance..

Well shouldn't we learn from experience? Alright, I'll wait a little longer.

dansbanners wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Well shouldn't we learn from experience? Alright, I'll wait a little longer.

How long has it been since your purchase?
We've got 45 days since the purchase day to file a dispute so there is time..

dansbanners wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 10:24pm:

Well shouldn't we learn from experience? Alright, I'll wait a little longer.

Because I think this is still salvageable. If he can put this back together then there is a lot of money to be made. Potentially hundreds of dollars per day down the road. Should I risk losing hundreds of dollars per day in earnings for cash that was already speculative in the first place?

I don't need to put another penny into this in order to gain that income so why not wait and see what paypal has to say

moneymarketing wrote on 15^th Nov, 2013 at 1:32am:

Because I think this is still salvageable. If he can put this back together then there is a lot of money to be made. Potentially hundreds of dollars per day down the road. Should I risk losing hundreds of dollars per day in earnings for cash that was already speculative in the first place? I don't need to put another penny into this in order to gain that income so why not wait and see what paypal has to say

Just when my first team of refs started getting stable and active..
16/50 direct refs are currently earning me ~$1 / day plus commissions..

Another issue is that there isn't really anything to dispute. I'm still getting paid on my shares, I just can't buy any more. He also hasn't taken away the ability for us to earn from clicking ads etc. So he would probably have a pretty valid defense in a dispute

It is not like the admin disappeared and is not in communication with the members (it could be argued that he is doing this to buy time but I don't think this is the case)

I wonder which was the PTC company with the well paid lawyers that survived?

moneymarketing wrote on 15^th Nov, 2013 at 8:26am:

Another issue is that there isn't really anything to dispute. I'm still getting paid on my shares, I just can't buy any more. He also hasn't taken away the ability for us to earn from clicking ads etc. So he would probably have a pretty valid defense in a dispute

I'm concerned about my upgraded membership being wasted cause there were times in the past that it was. Alright, I could look at it from that point view as mentioned above.

moneymarketing wrote on 15^th Nov, 2013 at 8:26am:

It is not like the admin disappeared and is not in communication with the members (it could be argued that he is doing this to buy time but I don't think this is the case)

Well, you could say the same about the PTCBox admin. He didn't exactly disappear immediately at first either only for him to eventually do it. Alright hope for the best.

SolidSnake wrote on 14^th Nov, 2013 at 11:25pm:

How long has it been since your purchase? We've got 45 days since the purchase day to file a dispute so there is time..

Yes that crossed my mind as well

dansbanners wrote on 15^th Nov, 2013 at 1:46pm:

Well, you could say the same about the PTCBox admin. He didn't exactly disappear immediately at first either only for him to eventually do it. Alright hope for the best.

Yes, your point is valid. We gave him way too much room and there was always the next excuse. I won't be doing that this time. If excuses keep coming out and not resolutions, then I'll probably file. It is still early at this point

Small update.. after some suggestions I got a reply from admin in the PTCSolution Forum.


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SolidSnake: Even if it doesn't work out well with PayPal, I think Payza and EgoPay are good options. Also since your members (including me) will support you, you might consider purchasing an SSL certificate and add direct credit/debit card support. [...] (The reason I'm saying this is cause I was really close to PTCBox.com admin in the past and he just gave up too soon when PayPal limited his account as well. Always remember that there is really much more to gain if you stay alive in this industry than when running away).

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PTCSolution Admin: That was my plan to keep the party going even if PayPal will say "good bye". I'm not going to leave my baby as I spend too much time and too much money just to leave the site. Other thing is the reputation, I cannot imagine saying "sorry folks, I've tried but no joy" to advertisers and users. I'm not this kind of person. SSL certs is already in place it's just not used as there is a lot of mess with ads displayed on the site and with clicking as while watching ads you mixed ssl and non-ssl stuff together and most likely current browsers will cause problems with that. Introducing debit/credit card support - I though about that as well, i've checked for example www.2checkout.com offer. 1st of all I don't know how would they answer about supporting PTC site but even if they would say yes take a look at the fees: 5.5% + $0.45 per transaction.. So we have for example an advertisement worth $100. Customer is paying $100 and I'm getting $94,05 from that. 6 bucks goes just nowhere. And I really cannot ask advertiser to cover those fees as he is gonna say - :censored that, I'm gonna find the other site with proper payment processors (like PayPal). There is no win-win situation I'm afraid. When you mentioned PTCBox.com I just said to myself - now I know that I've "seen" you before :) I can only agree that admin of ptcbox and matrix mails just gave up to easily. Fortunatelly that's not my nature to give up.

Well he seems like a nice type.. let's hope he'll fight stronger than the one of PTCBox..

SolidSnake wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 9:04pm:

Small update.. after some suggestions I got a reply from admin in the PTCSolution Forum. Well he seems like a nice type.. let's hope he'll fight stronger than the one of PTCBox..

:)

We still don't know if the guy running PTCBox was the one who built it. It seems the people who build the site from scratch have a lot more emotional investment in their project and are not willing to let it die. I'm sure you would put up a bit of a fight if PP tried to close down your ad page

moneymarketing wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 9:44pm:

:) We still don't know if the guy running PTCBox was the one who built it. It seems the people who build the site from scratch have a lot more emotional investment in their project and are not willing to let it die. I'm sure you would put up a bit of a fight if PP tried to close down your ad page

As we may recall does it seem that one of the admins had left earlier, even months before PTCBox went bellied up?

moneymarketing wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 9:44pm:

:) We still don't know if the guy running PTCBox was the one who built it. It seems the people who build the site from scratch have a lot more emotional investment in their project and are not willing to let it die. I'm sure you would put up a bit of a fight if PP tried to close down your ad page

Well, I could tell that from first hand.
Thankfully PayPal has no control over my site.. :) It's not even supported by my host anymore.. lol.
And unlike PTCs if they decide to shutdown my account I won't end up owning anyone any money..
I'll simply use the rest of the processors. In my new version Payza and EgoPay are included.
I just need to write down a specific T.o.S. page for it and come up with a refund policy cause Payza requires me to have them.


dansbanners wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 9:50pm:

As we may recall does it seem that one of the admins had left earlier, even months before PTCBox went bellied up?

I think that was mostly the case with MatrixMails..
Hadn't that happened even before the official PTCBox launch date?

SolidSnake wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 9:52pm:

I think that was mostly the case with MatrixMails..Hadn't that happened even before the official PTCBox launch date?

No, I think that happened after PTCBox was launched. That there were two admins but one eventually left. And I think I also recalled the last admin saying he had a handful cause the other one left thus he was doing everything alone from that point on. I think? 

Ok, what's the update with PTCSolution?

dansbanners wrote on 18^th Nov, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Ok, what's the update with PTCSolution?

he's got a workaround with paypal, he's using his wife's account(with people supposedly opening disputes). His PP account (not his wife's) has been escalated so they should review it very soon. Share purchases are frozen but we are still getting paid on active shares owned and that is paying into our general account. I assume we can cash that money out if we want

so everything is starting to get back to normal. We're just waiting on the final decision from Paypal

dansbanners wrote on 16^th Nov, 2013 at 11:52pm:

No, I think that happened after PTCBox was launched. That there were two admins but one eventually left. And I think I also recalled the last admin saying he had a handful cause the other one left thus he was doing everything alone from that point on. I think?

Could be.. I remember something like that being discussed.. I spent 4 hours yesterday reading that old
"Official PayPal Issue Thread" with no luck.. I went through all the mess of those days like living a deja vu..  :phew

Unfortunately the backup I have was before the thread deletion and when we brought it back the discussion
continued until the GetPaidReview takedown.. Too bad I don't have a backup of those extra posts..

I remember Didcot trying to find the admin's data (address, phone, etc) with no luck..
The clue was that the first admin might have been using the "GetPaidReview" account in the forum instead
of the "PTCBox" one that was considered a super moderator. Anyway.. I guess it doesn't play much of a role now..

To get back to PTCSolution, I read that they had some server issues yesterday causing some members to have to
do their clicks again.. I've been noticing a few clicks to go missing on my refs these last few days and I was gonna
ask them but I guess it's because of that issue.. Besides they're not many (2-3 clicks in ~400) so I'll give them a break.

Btw, due to ConstantBux contests people seem to be promoting well cause I got 6 new refs coming form my banners there
since yesterday. Looks like a good way to promote PTCSolution.. I'll just promote ConstantBux and get refs for both.. :)

dansbanners wrote on 18^th Nov, 2013 at 3:57pm:

Ok, what's the update with PTCSolution?

I made a $50 request for funds that should happen sometime this week. It could be a coincidence but he is claiming that he was hit by a DDOS attack. If I take the $50 now then I can always reinvest it again in the future when he gets the shares back in order

Well, just an idea.. if you plan on reinvesting maybe you should pick another payment processor.. maybe Payza or EgoPay.
This way we'll see how those of his accounts are behaving.. are the fees different between these processors when withdrawing?

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Nov, 2013 at 11:42am:

Well, just an idea.. if you plan on reinvesting maybe you should pick another payment processor.. maybe Payza or EgoPay. This way we'll see how those of his accounts are behaving.. are the fees different between these processors when withdrawing?

Now that you mention it, I might not even have the choice. He was talking about how he might have to separate the share side from the PTC side if he gets his paypal back.

It's not a big deal for me. Clixsense pays in both

Since many sites only allow unlimited withdrawals from the processor people invested the most. I think it's best to keep both options open. Try to invest the same from each processor, so that you're able to cashout from whichever works best for you. Paypal problems? Use Payza. Payza monkeying around? Use Paypal.

ruicarlov wrote on 19^th Nov, 2013 at 6:24pm:

Since many sites only allow unlimited withdrawals from the processor people invested the most. I think it's best to keep both options open. Try to invest the same from each processor, so that you're able to cashout from whichever works best for you. Paypal problems? Use Payza. Payza monkeying around? Use Paypal.

We probably won't have a choice.  He was saying that if you invest in the shares, PP will be disabled. That is the only workaround that they can come up with to keep both the shares and PP. Since I am only really on the site for the shares I'll go with it

I know what you mean regarding the 'segregation' of investment dollars. I get that at neobux all the time since my primary investment is PP.

Twickerz is the same, as well as YouGetProfit (same group, same anti money laudering policies). It seems the most "professional" big sites do it that way. The limitations of the accounts we can use for Paypal funding/withdrawal is another minus. For an US member, it probably doesn't matter that much, but for other international members it may.

moneymarketing wrote on 19^th Nov, 2013 at 5:28am:

I made a $50 request for funds that should happen sometime this week. It could be a coincidence but he is claiming that he was hit by a DDOS attack. If I take the $50 now then I can always reinvest it again in the future when he gets the shares back in order

I just received my payment!   :D :money [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 20^th Nov, 2013 at 10:17pm:

I just received my payment!   :D :money [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Way to go man!  :cool1
On PayPal that was, right?

SolidSnake wrote on 21^st Nov, 2013 at 12:46am:

Way to go man!  :cool1 On PayPal that was, right?

yes

Maybe it's good that this happened. Most PTC sites get limited paypal accounts at one point or another. Neobux, CashNhits, PTCbox.... But while some fail, some manage to restore it. I think that overcoming that crisis will make the site much more trustworthy.

I wasn't considering joining and investing in PTCsolution. But if they overcome this, I just might. Even though it's a new site, having survived paypal means it's much less likely to pull a PTCbox on us. I think this outweights the site age. What do you think?

ruicarlov wrote on 22^nd Nov, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Maybe it's good that this happened. Most PTC sites get limited paypal accounts at one point or another. Neobux, CashNhits, PTCbox.... But while some fail, some manage to restore it. I think that overcoming that crisis will make the site much more trustworthy. I wasn't considering joining and investing in PTCsolution. But if they overcome this, I just might. Even though it's a new site, having survived paypal means it's much less likely to pull a PTCbox on us. I think this outweights the site age. What do you think?

Unfortunately that's true.. but we still have no update on the matter.
Waiting with hands crossed.. I think I'd stick around it even without PayPal..
but surviving the crash would make the program much more appealing and help with promoting it.

[edit]BTW, I'm currently earning a bit above $1 with just 20 active out of 60 refs.
I think it's close to my old PTCBox's rates..

There I had ~30 active out of ~200 refs earning me ~$1.5 /day. But since the ads number varied
much more there and considering tier 2 and 3 refs earnings, plus my own ($0.10/click) earnings,
I was usually getting $3-$4 / day there without including upgrade commissions that came every now and then.
I now checked my stats there and realize that if I hadn't taken the Lifetime Upgrade the end would have found me at
180-190% return over my $200 in upgrades investment.. I only managed to earn $120 out of the reseller project
so I was only at 40% ROI of that investment...

So with the current activity rates and referral commissions it will be easy to make some good money here..
and maybe pay me back my old debt with these earnings.. :)[/edit]

ruicarlov wrote on 22^nd Nov, 2013 at 7:37pm:

Maybe it's good that this happened. Most PTC sites get limited paypal accounts at one point or another. Neobux, CashNhits, PTCbox.... But while some fail, some manage to restore it. I think that overcoming that crisis will make the site much more trustworthy. I wasn't considering joining and investing in PTCsolution. But if they overcome this, I just might. Even though it's a new site, having survived paypal means it's much less likely to pull a PTCbox on us. I think this outweights the site age. What do you think?

Yes, absolutely. Once they establish a proper relationship with paypal, they seldom go back unless they start to fail. But, as you said, once these sites do come under compliance paypal leaves them alone.

We can also use that as a selling point, telling people that they are paypal compliant

And welcome to the team and  [smiley=z02-thanks.gif] [smiley=00-welcome.gif] [smiley=12-party.gif]

It seems they also have downline upgrade comissions more than 1 level. This is good news for you if they remain stable and inspire my trust  ;) ;) I was beggining to wonder what I'd make with my Twickerz cashouts...

Thanks for joining under me ruicarlov. I appreciate it!

So what's the update with Paypal & PTCSolution? Is it back to normal or what?

dansbanners wrote on 24^th Nov, 2013 at 11:28pm:

So what's the update with Paypal & PTCSolution? Is it back to normal or what?

Last time I checked he was still paying through his wife's account. No resolution to his account status as of yet  :dontknow

People seem to be getting paid and there doesn't seem to be any complaints. Are you going to put in a dispute? I'm not sure the grounds you can dispute on unless it is because his paypal account is frozen and thus you don't want to lose your upgrade. He has said that anyone who initiates a dispute will be banned, just so you know, but I guess you expect that

Why would I want to put in a dispute with ruicarlov in my downline? ;)

So, what's the status with their revenue sharing program?

dansbanners wrote on 25^th Nov, 2013 at 3:24pm:

Why would I want to put in a dispute with ruicarlov in my downline? ;) So, what's the status with their revenue sharing program?

still on hold but they're working on it.

As of now you can no longer see the revenue share link on their pages but it is still active and paying. I think they did that just to keep people from trying to sign up

Weird Update on the matter :


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Dear users PayPal just said definitely - :censored off to me and my wife. I don't understand that at all, especially that I've asked them to review my site again and there is a response: We appreciate the fact that you chose PayPal to send and receive payments for your transactions. After review of your website, we show that this site, as it currently exists, would not be in violation of our Acceptable Use Policy. Therefore, you would be able to use PayPal as your payment processor. Please refer to: - Website: http://ptcsolution.com Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or receive payments that support pyramid or ponzi schemes, matrix programs, “get rich quick” schemes, or certain multi-level marketing programs. In addition, only approved MLM programs may be allowed. The complete Acceptable Use Policy can be found at the following URL: https://cms.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/?cmd=_render-content&content_ID=ua/AcceptableUse_full&locale.x=en_US To learn more about the Acceptable Use Policy, please refer to our Help Center page here: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/helpweb?cmd=_help You can find additional information and tips about buying and selling safely on our Business Resource Center at https://www.paypal-businesscenter.com/manage-your-business. We appreciate your cooperation in this matter and ask that your continued use of PayPal be in accordance with the User Agreement and the Acceptable Use Policy. If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Brand Risk Management Department at euaup@paypal.co.uk. Sincerely, Sean PayPal, Brand Risk Management So as you can see my business was review by PayPal and accepted. But few hours after that my wife's account got closed. As I promissed I'm not gonna give up. So there are quick decisions: 1. PayPal is removed 2. All PayPal withdrawals are removed and refunded so you can make a new one to Payza or EgoPay. I'm really sorry for that. 3. We are getting back revenue shares 4. I'm working on 2checkout integration so you will be able to pay with CC and maybe PayPal as well but I'm waiting for the review I can only apologiese for that inconvinience, I'm actually really :censored off myself as I was prommised by PayPal that my account is going to be ok. I will come back to you tommorow with some more news as there is a huge developement of PTCSolution.com going at the background as I'm not going to leave my site.

And I replied with my thoughts here :

PTCSolution Forum

The ability to buy revenue shares is back but only via payza and egopay.

I see that the link is not in the main pages yet but is on the revenue share page.

I think now is where we need to watch. If he is taking the site down gradually, then the next 'setback' would be for payza to limit his account. This is kind of what happened to PTCBox, only a lot quicker and with greater volume.

At this point I will not put any more money into the site but will reinvest my revenue share earnings into more shares. This will at least get me some advertising at the bare minimum

The Payza limitation on PTCbox was most likely due to the panic withdrawals when Paypal account was limited. I believe that cash turnover is nowhere near as high here.
I'll wait and see.

ruicarlov wrote on 27^th Nov, 2013 at 12:52pm:

The Payza limitation on PTCbox was most likely due to the panic withdrawals when Paypal account was limited. I believe that cash turnover is nowhere near as high here. I'll wait and see.

Yes, I also think that, generally speaking, the members were making more money with PTCBox than they currently are with PTCSolution, some alot more.

ruicarlov wrote on 27^th Nov, 2013 at 12:52pm:

The Payza limitation on PTCbox was most likely due to the panic withdrawals when Paypal account was limited. I believe that cash turnover is nowhere near as high here. I'll wait and see.

Yes, true....but.....if he is scamming, and I'm not saying he is, but, if he is planning on running with the cash, then he could do something to trigger a payza investigation. I'm looking at the worst case scenario here. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but if the site loses payza, then they are probably done.

So, if this whole thing was about selling a bunch of shares and then shutting down, then I'm saying we need to watch because he is standing pretty close to the exit door here. If he were a stock I'd put him on a watch list at this point

moneymarketing wrote on 27^th Nov, 2013 at 6:14pm:

Yes, true....but.....if he is scamming, and I'm not saying he is, but, if he is planning on running with the cash, then he could do something to trigger a payza investigation. I'm looking at the worst case scenario here. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but if the site loses payza, then they are probably done. So, if this whole thing was about selling a bunch of shares and then shutting down, then I'm saying we need to watch because he is standing pretty close to the exit door here. If he were a stock I'd put him on a watch list at this point

But why would he risk his wife's account instead of just settling down with his own being limited..?

The point I really don't understand is that if he passed the PayPal investigation review, why is it still limited?

[edit]Btw, PTCBox admin's never got unlimited.. it's still frozen until now..[/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 27^th Nov, 2013 at 6:21pm:

But why would he risk his wife's account instead of just settling down with his own being limited..? The point I really don't understand is that if he passed the PayPal investigation review, why is it still limited? [edit]Btw, PTCBox admin's never got unlimited.. it's still frozen until now..[/edit]

To build confidence? If that is what he is doing, maybe he needed to use her account to buy time to take more cash from customers. And maybe that is why hers was limited because they were making big withdrawals.

This is just a guess of course

Well, we can't say for sure.. and unfortunately we have to expect anything in this industry..
IMO though it all seems a bit too bad for a scamming plan.. I think I would make a great scammer.. lol

However it's like a mind game.. if you try to spot a scam everywhere you'll eventually find scams everywhere.
Like that "The Number 23" movie.. :)

Saying all the right thing but this seems to be getting close to failure

http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=10721

Fortunately, everyone is kissing  :censored very well

moneymarketing wrote on 1^st Dec, 2013 at 9:49pm:

Saying all the right thing but this seems to be getting close to failure http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=10721 Fortunately, everyone is kissing  :censored very well

Keep in mind you have two good marketers in your downline. Thus maybe cool it a little on the negativity and either try to be a little more positive or at the very least, at least just be a little more level headed for the time being and see what happens.

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 12:01am:

Keep in mind you have two good marketers in your downline. Thus maybe cool it a little on the negativity and either try to be a little more positive or at the very least, at least just be a little more level headed for the time being and see what happens.

I thought you wanted to know opinions on whether or not this site was sustainable? I'm giving you my opinion based on the latest news  :dontknow

Well, if nothing else, at least it's better than.. "Ok guys.. no more PayPal - we're doomed.."
The guy seems to be doing what he should at such a point.. implementing new payment options..
I don't see anything wrong with that.. :dontknow

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 5:10am:

Well, if nothing else, at least it's better than.. "Ok guys.. no more PayPal - we're doomed.." The guy seems to be doing what he should at such a point.. implementing new payment options.. I don't see anything wrong with that.. :dontknow

Or, he could be lying and stalling for time.

I don't get that vibe from him. There's no telling if his recovery plan will suceed, but I see no reason to doubt he's trying to implement new payment processors.

If you ask me, the whole deal with PTCbox had much more stalling by the admin.  There was too much time on a what-if and waiting for responses from Paypal and too less action.

ruicarlov wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 12:03pm:

I don't get that vibe from him. There's no telling if his recovery plan will suceed, but I see no reason to doubt he's trying to implement new payment processors. If you ask me, the whole deal with PTCbox had much more stalling by the admin.  There was too much time on a what-if and waiting for responses from Paypal and too less action.

+1

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 12:42am:

I thought you wanted to know opinions on whether or not this site was sustainable? I'm giving you my opinion based on the latest news  :dontknow

With two good marketers in your downline. You have nothing to lose but possibly some or alot to gain by either being a little more optimistic or just by being a little more neutral. ;)

ruicarlov wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 12:03pm:

I don't get that vibe from him. There's no telling if his recovery plan will suceed, but I see no reason to doubt he's trying to implement new payment processors. If you ask me, the whole deal with PTCbox had much more stalling by the admin.  There was too much time on a what-if and waiting for responses from Paypal and too less action.

True enough. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt too. He isn't going anywhere just yet and we aren't going anywhere so we can all watch this play out

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 3:49pm:

With two good marketers in your downline. You have nothing to lose but possibly some or alot to gain by either being a little more optimistic or just by being a little more neutral. ;)

OK, we'll all watch this and I'll  :-X 

;)

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Dec, 2013 at 8:41pm:

OK, we'll all watch this and I'll  :-X  ;)

We're already upgraded. So we might as well hope for the best.

Btw, I've already made back my upgrade investment (took me one and a half month) and I haven't noticed
any activity drop with my refs. They're still doing ~300 clicks / day even after the PayPal thing happened...

Something else is that I still haven't received any commissions on referrals upgrades even if MM's upgrade is
more than 1 month old now.. I won't open a support ticket about that yet though, because of their F.A.Q. :


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Please bear in mind that both commissions are credited to your account manually and may take up to 45 days to credit your account. We do that as we need to verify every transaction. But in most cases commission might be credited within 2-3 days.

I'm now wondering where I should withdraw my balance out to... Payza or EgoPay...
anyone knows which one has less fees than the other one?

I don't have any idea, but egopay is an exchanger for Payza. So, their fees should be little higher than payza, I guess.

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Dec, 2013 at 5:16pm:

Btw, I've already made back my upgrade investment (took me one and a half month) and I haven't noticed any activity drop with my refs. They're still doing ~300 clicks / day even after the PayPal thing happened... Something else is that I still haven't received any commissions on referrals upgrades even if MM's upgrade is more than 1 month old now.. I won't open a support ticket about that yet though, because of their F.A.Q. : I'm now wondering where I should withdraw my balance out to... Payza or EgoPay... anyone knows which one has less fees than the other one?

The commissions from Dan are still pending. They were made 10/31 and 11/03

venkat wrote on 3^rd Dec, 2013 at 5:30pm:

I don't have any idea, but egopay is an exchanger for Payza. So, their fees should be little higher than payza, I guess.

Well, I guess I'll stick to EgoPay probably, because Mr. Batman above (my EgoPay upline) will benefit from my transactions' fees so it benefits the team..  [smiley=together.gif]

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Dec, 2013 at 11:50pm:

Well, I guess I'll stick to EgoPay probably, because Mr. Batman above (my EgoPay upline) will benefit from my transactions' fees so it benefits the team..  [smiley=together.gif]

Plus, you never know when payza will go on another purge and your money would be useless

OK, I have to say it. I am suspending my investing on this site. i don't have much of a choice. First he would not let us use the money in our accounts to buy more shares and now the only way to buy more shares is by adding new cash. So my money is stuck in there. I will try to withdraw my funds when my current share pays out completely but money that has been transferred over to the purchase account is locked in the site.

The only way to reinvest share earnings into shares is to withdraw your cash and then reinvest it. This is very expensive given the fees of the payers he is using

I am going to wait and see before I put more cash into this. I've already had to convert some of my cash to advertising because it got locked in.

I'm still down about $40 net but have a paid upgrade and depending on what he does with the remaining money in my account, I could be down about $15 after all is said and done. The earnings on the upgrade should compensate for that but I'm not sure I am going to spend  there or promote the site until things improve a bit

moneymarketing wrote on 14^th Dec, 2013 at 5:01pm:

OK, I have to say it. I am suspending my investing on this site. i don't have much of a choice. First he would not let us use the money in our accounts to buy more shares and now the only way to buy more shares is by adding new cash. So my money is stuck in there. I will try to withdraw my funds when my current share pays out completely but money that has been transferred over to the purchase account is locked in the site. The only way to reinvest share earnings into shares is to withdraw your cash and then reinvest it. This is very expensive given the fees of the payers he is using I am going to wait and see before I put more cash into this. I've already had to convert some of my cash to advertising because it got locked in. I'm still down about $40 net but have a paid upgrade and depending on what he does with the remaining money in my account, I could be down about $15 after all is said and done. The earnings on the upgrade should compensate for that but I'm not sure I am going to spend  there or promote the site until things improve a bit

In the meantime, we'll continue with the clicks.

Well at least you can still withdraw your current share earnings..


Quote:

- Share bought before today will be added to the account balance as it was before. New rules are only for new Ad Shares Pack.

So, the only loss will be the fees if you want to reinvest.
But I think they would have thought about this a bit earlier..
Basically all programs work with shares and deal with PayPal should think about it..

[edit]Btw, they offer 10% currently in deposits so that would most likely cover the fee expenses..[/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Dec, 2013 at 1:00am:

Well at least you can still withdraw your current share earnings.. So, the only loss will be the fees if you want to reinvest. But I think they would have thought about this a bit earlier.. Basically all programs work with shares and deal with PayPal should think about it.. [edit]Btw, they offer 10% currently in deposits so that would most likely cover the fee expenses..[/edit]

No, I can't. I saw that the shares buying tab was active again so I went ahead and transferred $30 to my purchase balance which is the way we did it before when we were buying shares. Then, when I went to buy the shares I saw that there was no way to buy the shares with any account balance and by the time they are in the purchase balance account, all you can do is buy advertising or upgrade. You can't transfer it out. So I'm stuck

Yes, I should have checked into the new rules for investing but it wasn't apparent up front. I'm still collecting on one share left and I'll have to see if he pays on that. If he does then I might think about investing again. That will be a little over two weeks from now so it will give us time to see if the site goes along smoothly. Until then it is full stop for me

I see.. well then I guess you could only use it for advertising which can still prove to be profitable..
It's one of the most popular PTCs right now and the audience is large enough to offer you some leads.

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Dec, 2013 at 9:33am:

I see.. well then I guess you could only use it for advertising which can still prove to be profitable.. It's one of the most popular PTCs right now and the audience is large enough to offer you some leads.

Yes, that is what I am testing out. I was going to use my profits to reinvest into advertising anyway because I believe in doing that. I just don't like to have to do it because I have no other choice. So I'm testing their login ads right now. That gets a good number of impressions and clicks (I'm using the YGP banner 9383/53 after 1 day). No signups yet but I'm sure that will happen soon enough

I've got an update on the referral commissions subject.. after contacting their support they replied within hours.. :

Me, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 01:02 AM

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Hello there, I was wondering if the referral commissions system is working fine. I have a couple of them as pending and one has just reached 45 days.. According to your FAQ, it may take up to 45 days but usually commissions are credited within 2-3 days.. So, I would like to ask.. is there something wrong with my account?

Administrator, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 09:16 AM

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Hi mate, no there is nothing wrong at all. Most of the commissions are approved after that 45th day as there is too much cheating going around. Please check tomorrow for the commission from 2nd november and come back to me if it's still not approved, I'm not closing this ticket.

Me, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 01:37 PM

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Thanks, I'm ok with that. Just a note though.. maybe if the system works like that, it might be wise to consider updating the current FAQ page to reflect how this process works. This would prevent more support tickets like this one from occuring and saving you more time to work on more important things. Just sharing my opinion. Keep up the great work! Best Regards, SolidSnake PTCBox.Me Administration

Administrator, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 02:17 PM

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Good point, will put that on my growing todo list ;)

So, it looks like they're actually waiting for the 45 day PayPal protection period to expire before they credit the commissions to the uplines.
Well, I guess it's understandable as otherwise it will be easy to cheat, if they get credited earlier..

(btw I just noticed that "saving" should be changed to "save" to make the syntax correct.. pff.. I can't edit that now..)

SolidSnake wrote on 17^th Dec, 2013 at 3:44pm:

I've got an update on the referral commissions subject.. after contacting their support they replied within hours.. : Me, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 01:02 AM Administrator, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 09:16 AM Me, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 01:37 PM Administrator, Tuesday, December 17, 2013 at 02:17 PM So, it looks like they're actually waiting for the 45 day PayPal protection period to expire before they credit the commissions to the uplines. Well, I guess it's understandable as otherwise it will be easy to cheat, if they get credited earlier.. (btw I just noticed that "saving" should be changed to "save" to make the syntax correct.. pff.. I can't edit that now..)

Dan's commission on the 31st of October is approved but the one on Nov 3rd is still pending, so what he says is true

moneymarketing wrote on 17^th Dec, 2013 at 6:33pm:

Dan's commission on the 31st of October is approved but the one on Nov 3rd is still pending, so what he says is true

Kinda relieved to hear that.. :)
Not that I doubted about PTCSolutions but anyways.
It's better to know.

The second commission has also been approved  :)

moneymarketing wrote on 20^th Dec, 2013 at 7:19pm:

The second commission has also been approved  :)

Cool. I've been doing the daily clicks in there. 8-)

dansbanners wrote on 21^st Dec, 2013 at 3:15pm:

Cool. I've been doing the daily clicks in there. 8-)

Yes, you have. You are my best clicker  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

My last share finally paid out all its cash and I have put in for a payout. $25.82 is this request. I've already received $50.

moneymarketing wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 2:42am:

My last share finally paid out all its cash and I have put in for a payout. $25.82 is this request. I've already received $50.

So, have you made a profit out of these shares?

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 2:58pm:

So, have you made a profit out of these shares?

Yes, out of every share, I made a profit. Some of those profits I rolled into an upgrade so I won't be in net profit for my investment on the site. If I get paid, my total payout would be about $75 but my total investment with the upgrade would be closer to $99.

Had I not made the mistake and transferred the $30 to my purchase balance thinking I could still buy shares with it, my total cashout would be $105. So I got (assuming i get paid) $75, $30 worth of goods (advertising and 50 rented referrals) and an upgrade

Now I have to think about reinvesting in the site via payza or ego pay in order to buy more shares. Since the site is looking stable again, I might just do that for at least one share. Then I'll let it compound up to more as we go along

This one is no longer my priority though. That has switched to YGP since it has an approved model under paypal. So I'll continue to build my cash flow there. It is already close to compounding its cash flow

moneymarketing wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 4:29pm:

This one is no longer my priority though. That has switched to YGP since it has an approved model under paypal. So I'll continue to build my cash flow there. It is already close to compounding its cash flow

Yes, I'm another that's more into YGP these days. I think it's the better of the two. IMHO.

dansbanners wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Yes, I'm another that's more into YGP these days. I think it's the better of the two. IMHO.

YGP definitely has the more stable ownership base which is a key factor

dansbanners wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Yes, I'm another that's more into YGP these days. I think it's the better of the two. IMHO.

Sure it's better when it comes to shares.
However PTCSolution is better with direct referral earnings mainly because of its high paying ads that are available...
That may change in the future though but until then.. :)

I jumped on the PTCsolution bandwagon recently. Currently a Premium Maxi Promoter with 1000 RR. The high paying ads make this a nice opportunity for earning from refs. Let's see how long this keeps up. I've also got some shares here, since they seem pretty good for fixed revenue shares. They probably won't last forever, just like they didn't on Twickerz, so I'll use them while I can.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 6:32pm:

I jumped on the PTCsolution bandwagon recently. Currently a Premium Maxi Promoter with 1000 RR. The high paying ads make this a nice opportunity for earning from refs. Let's see how long this keeps up. I've also got some shares here, since they seem pretty good for fixed revenue shares. They probably won't last forever, just like they didn't on Twickerz, so I'll use them while I can.

You joined under Dan. Do you have any direct referrals under you because I only have one referral on my second level and I assume that is you. Too bad they don't pay out RR commissions on multi levels too.

I have 1 at the moment.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 10:39pm:

I have 1 at the moment.

That is odd that it is not showing up  :dontknow

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 6:32pm:

I jumped on the PTCsolution bandwagon recently. Currently a Premium Maxi Promoter with 1000 RR. The high paying ads make this a nice opportunity for earning from refs. Let's see how long this keeps up. I've also got some shares here, since they seem pretty good for fixed revenue shares. They probably won't last forever, just like they didn't on Twickerz, so I'll use them while I can.

You're a big player indeed.. :)
I would not recommend their rented referrals though.. because even if they're profitable they're mostly bots, so your income
will be most likely controlled by the site... If you check the first pages in this thread you'll see my personal experience with them.. They made me a 20% profit but still I don't trust the system to re-rent.. I'd stick to the direct ones with this site.

However keep track of yours if possible and let us know how they do.. at least for a couple of days.
If you keep a record of their personal activity you'll be able to tell for sure if they're all bots or not.. 1000 refs is a good sample size.. Good luck with them Rui!

If there's one thing I find odd is that all of the refs made at least a click. None of those 1000  was completely inactive.
As far as clicking goes, there's all kinds. Low averages, big averages. Their behaviour is different enough to be a crowd of people.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 6:32pm:

I jumped on the PTCsolution bandwagon recently. Currently a Premium Maxi Promoter with 1000 RR. The high paying ads make this a nice opportunity for earning from refs. Let's see how long this keeps up. I've also got some shares here, since they seem pretty good for fixed revenue shares. They probably won't last forever, just like they didn't on Twickerz, so I'll use them while I can.

Should I be getting any commissions from any of your purchases?

I'm not sure. I bought the membership + referrals through a special pack in the advertise page.
According to TOS, Special Pack purchases are not included in the purchase comissions.
Still, as an upgraded member, you should receive the referral upgrade comission... maybe  :-/

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 11:47am:

If there's one thing I find odd is that all of the refs made at least a click. None of those 1000  was completely inactive. As far as clicking goes, there's all kinds. Low averages, big averages. Their behaviour is different enough to be a crowd of people.

If they do 1 click the first day they join a site then ok, that's human behaviour..
However if they always do 1 or 2 clicks for a whole month then I believe it's not human-like..
I mean humans practically always decide if they are willing to keep clicking after a few days.
If they get bored they leave.. if not they'll probably click even more or all ads daily.
But it's really awkward to see a ref coming back to view one single ad every single day of the month..

See how awkward my own rented refs were :

http://www.ptcbox.me/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1381010950/22#22

At least they made me a profit in the end but I gave them up immediately after they expired.


dansbanners wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 2:54pm:

Should I be getting any commissions from any of your purchases?

Well, since ruicarlov is your tier 1 referral you can check it out here :

http://www.ptcsolution.com/referral_commissions.php

If you see any pending commissions then you will most likely get them after 45 days from the purchase date.
If it's empty then it probably didn't count as a commissionable purchase.. (by the way please correct me any
time you spot any mistakes in my english - I'd really like to know it when do mistakes in spelling or syntax)

I find it hard to believe English is not your native tongue SS.


Of the 50 RR's I bought every one is active and has clicked a minimum twice over two days. This has never happened for my DRs or RRs at neobux. I also have the autopay activated so the website takes the first click. hmmmm.  :-?

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 7:13pm:

I find it hard to believe English is not your native tongue SS.

You haven't actually heard me speaking English yet.. :P
I'm good at writing but I kinda suck at speaking it..
I've only got the FCE (first certificate in English aka Lower) and that was about 14 years ago..
Never tried to get the "Advanced" or "Proficiency" one..
I do a couple of mess ups even when typing and that's why I always have to read and re-read my text before posting and even edit my posts very often.. I don't like being incorrect. That's why I'm asking for corrections at any case I am..


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Of the 50 RR's I bought every one is active and has clicked a minimum twice over two days. This has never happened for my DRs or RRs at neobux. I also have the autopay activated so the website takes the first click. hmmmm.  :-?

Neobux and a few related sites are a bit different because you don't earn from *all* your referrals' clicks.. only the standard and a few of the rest.

PTCSolution pays the upline for all different types of ad views so it's easier to track bot-like activity.
But you have to do it manually as they don't offer a separate chart per referral.
I did log mine using excel for a month. I'm now too tired of doing so though and only stick to my direct referrals now,
so I'm fine with whatever their activity is..

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 7:13pm:

I find it hard to believe English is not your native tongue SS.

Does the name *private* sound like a native english speaker to you?  ;D

Us in small countries (e.g: Portugal/Greece) with few stuff written/made in our language (movies, websites, musics) have to learn to live with English. Written English, at least.
When it comes to speaking, some languages have it better than others. Portuguese are not too bad, actually (on average), but wait until you hear Spanish people talk it. It's a riot!

SolidSnake wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 7:24pm:

You haven't actually heard me speaking English yet.. :P I'm good at writing but I kinda suck at speaking it.. I've only got the FCE (first certificate in English aka Lower) and that was about 14 years ago.. Never tried to get the "Advanced" or "Proficiency" one.. I do a couple of mess ups even when typing and that's why I always have to read and re-read my text before posting and even edit my posts very often.. I don't like being incorrect. That's why I'm asking for corrections at any case I am..

That's nothing. I have to read and reread my writing too and English is my only language   [smiley=lolx.gif]

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 7:41pm:

Does the name *private* sound like a native english speaker to you?  ;D

I knew he was Greek and from Greece. I wrote that a little wrong. I meant his writing was so good he seems like a native speaker (you see, I can't even communicate in my native tongue  [smiley=lolx.gif])



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Us in small countries (e.g: Portugal/Greece) with few stuff written/made in our language (movies, websites, musics) have to learn to live with English. Written English, at least. When it comes to speaking, some languages have it better than others. Portuguese are not too bad, actually (on average), but wait until you hear Spanish people talk it. It's a riot!

Now this I did not know before. I guess that explains all the movie cliches when you are speaking to folks  ;D

Hasta la vista, Baby (oh wait, that isn't english is it? :-?  ;D)

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 8:32pm:

I knew he was Greek and from Greece. I wrote that a little wrong. I meant his writing was so good he seems like a native speaker (you see, I can't even communicate in my native tongue  [smiley=lolx.gif])

That's nothing. I've come across some fellow countrymen who couldn't communicate in my native language, either.

Well, sorry for editing both your posts guys.. I like to avoid publishing my full name..

It's visible on PayPal simply because I can't avoid it.. and I kinda hate it when online programs request me to hand it to them.. Unfortunately it's very identifying as I'm pretty sure less than 50 people in the world have my surname and they're all most likely relatives of mine.. lol.. It's really pretty unique here as well.. :)

Now that I think of it I had threatened Hits4Pay owners with legal action because they handed my full name to 3rd partners and all of a sudden my full name started popping up in spam emails after I signed up on their site.. The irony was that I was already banned from their site when this happened and the reason was "entering false information"..
Ok, that really :censored me off..  >:(

Anyway, just for the record, the "s" or "os" in the end of names and surnames is usually referring to male greek names. As for female ones it's usually an "a" or "ia" but that's more international.. however when noticing a name ending in  "oula" or "itsa" then it's almost definitely a female greek name.. :)

As for English, it's not thaaat much popular here.. greeks have a stubborn way of thinking in most things and that includes the Greek language. Sure kids learn English in school, even go to secondary schools to get English Certificates, but too few people are actually using it here.. at most of the cases both accent and syntax is terrible among greeks trying to speak English. ok I've just remembered this old greek advertisement. (that's a really funny greek ad.. as common greek phrases are directly translated in english by a "greek lover on action".. they make close to no sense and sound really weird in English.. the accent is intentionally horrible as well..  [smiley=lolx.gif])

BTW, I like to set every device I use (mobile phone, tablet, computers etc) in English just because I like it.. and that makes me kind of a weirdo here..  :dontknow

To get back to the subject, rui, how much did your upgrade+rented referrals special package cost?
I can't remember that promo among the rest they held..

The pack was $539.
All things considered, I'm not thinking or renting any more by investing. Still, if they behave well, I'll reinvest those earnings to rent some more.

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 10:23pm:

The pack was $539. All things considered, I'm not thinking or renting any more by investing. Still, if they behave well, I'll reinvest those earnings to rent some more.

I'd get the money back out and reinvest the profits on advertising for direct refs.. :P
Keep in mind that admin might readjust the rented bots activity anytime he wants to benefit him more than you..

I'm aware of that. For the time being there's still a confortable margin. There's no guarantee it'll be all-or-nothing, if in fact they are bots. I've made some calculations and most of the credited click are from standard ads. In fact, I've yet to find a RR which has clicks other than standard ads. Which is not all that surprising since it's what I click, too.  :P

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 11:40pm:

I'm aware of that. For the time being there's still a confortable margin. There's no guarantee it'll be all-or-nothing, if in fact they are bots. I've made some calculations and most of the credited click are from standard ads. In fact, I've yet to find a RR which has clicks other than standard ads. Which is not all that surprising since it's what I click, too.  :P

I click the fixed ones as they're faster.. :P

My total RR clicks the last three days:

77, 77, 78  :-?

At least they are consistent  ;D

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Hi. I'm finally back home after visiting my whole family and I will be back in bussiness tommorow. I will get all the tickets sorted tomorrow. My partner responsible for PayPal payments just told me that his account is under review since friday so PayPal payments unfortunatelly will get delayed. He got a phone call yesterday so this review my be over soon, will come back to you if I will have any more details.

again?  :-?

No, no, no! I don't want to be right!

moneymarketing wrote on 31^st Dec, 2013 at 6:15pm:

again?  :-? No, no, no! I don't want to be right!

Wasn't it in the plan? :)
Well, no big deal.. they now support a couple of processors and people almost decided to walk on after the initial admin's account limiting.
So, it was not unexpected.. actually it was almost definite.. :)

I believe this period was just some bonus time so that everyone retreives what he wants to retreive before it gets blocked again. :P

SolidSnake wrote on 31^st Dec, 2013 at 6:51pm:

Wasn't it in the plan? :) Well, no big deal.. they now support a couple of processors and people almost decided to walk on after the initial admin's account limiting. So, it was not unexpected.. actually it was almost definite.. :) I believe this period was just some bonus time so that everyone retreives what he wants to retreive before it gets blocked again. :P

These are all signs though. Is it a coincidence that this announcement was made when all the previous paypal shares were starting to pay out?

We need to watch closely now for any other 'payment processor' announcements.

In regards to RR behaviour, I'm more relieved right now. There are some who stopped clicking, others who I recycled but haven't clicked yet, a couple which have been clicking more than standard ads.... in short, it's more of what I'm used to seeing in other PTCsites.

@MM
Well, didn't they stop selling shares through paypal when they got limited?
They even implemented a shares balance that gets funded through the rest of the supported processors.. paypal shares where suppose to expire ever since IMO.

Anyway let's just wait and see.. I'm about toreceive my 3rd payment there soon and that could help with increasin my ygp shares.

@rui
Isn't this weird, we've started being happy when our refs do NOT actually click daily.. lol

I'm away skiing btw. Sorry for my late replies. I'll be back tomorrow.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd Jan, 2014 at 3:30am:

@MM Well, didn't they stop selling shares through paypal when they got limited? They even implemented a shares balance that gets funded through the rest of the supported processors.. paypal shares where suppose to expire ever since IMO.

They stopped selling but the shares that were bought under paypal were still paying. Those are starting to expire now or already have expired in the last few days. That is what they need to pay out on because that money can't be paid through payza (or so they say)

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Dec, 2013 at 10:39pm:

I have 1 at the moment.

I'm not seeing it either :P (i.e. a referral on my 2nd level)

ruicarlov wrote on 30^th Dec, 2013 at 3:00pm:

I'm not sure. I bought the membership + referrals through a special pack in the advertise page. According to TOS, Special Pack purchases are not included in the purchase comissions. Still, as an upgraded member, you should receive the referral upgrade comission... maybe  :-/

How long do I have to wait before the upgrade commission shows up in my account?

Thanks!

I think they should show quite quickly. It's the crediting that takes longer.
But like I said, since I purchased the membership through a different method (in the advertise page) maybe things work a little different.
You could try to send a support ticket and ask.
I upgraded December 23.

ruicarlov wrote on 2^nd Jan, 2014 at 5:48pm:

I think they should show quite quickly. It's the crediting that takes longer. But like I said, since I purchased the membership through a different method (in the advertise page) maybe things work a little different. You could try to send a support ticket and ask. I upgraded December 23.

Yes, it would show immediately but it would say 'pending'. Then the wait would be 45 days max for the account to be credited

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Jan, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Yes, it would show immediately but it would say 'pending'. Then the wait would be 45 days max for the account to be credited

It should show immediately but 45 days is actually the minimum waiting time. They are waiting for the rollback time to expire..

Plus as far as I can recall there is a limit on how much you can earn per referral. It is visible in the FAQ.

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Jan, 2014 at 6:00pm:

Yes, it would show immediately but it would say 'pending'. Then the wait would be 45 days max for the account to be credited

Where should I see this "pending"?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 3^rd Jan, 2014 at 1:22am:

Where should I see this "pending"? Thanks!

It should be under referral commissions down the left side.

There should be the date and either pending or approved under status

This link should work when logged in:

http://www.ptcsolution.com/referral_commissions.php

moneymarketing wrote on 3^rd Jan, 2014 at 4:09am:

It should be under referral commissions down the left side. There should be the date and either pending or approved under status This link should work when logged in: http://www.ptcsolution.com/referral_commissions.php

That's what I thought. Hmm, I'm not seeing it... :P

Does having to click to earn commissions from your referrals also apply to your referrals’ purchases?

dansbanners wrote on 3^rd Jan, 2014 at 3:39pm:

That's what I thought. Hmm, I'm not seeing it... :P

OK, I had to go looking for one of these:

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs34/f/2008/311/7/8/Red_Flag_Waving_by_DanielaLaverne.gif

dansbanners wrote on 3^rd Jan, 2014 at 3:39pm:

Does having to click to earn commissions from your referrals also apply to your referrals’ purchases?

I don't think so. But like I said, there's nothing like asking.

ruicarlov wrote on 2^nd Jan, 2014 at 5:48pm:

I think they should show quite quickly. It's the crediting that takes longer. But like I said, since I purchased the membership through a different method (in the advertise page) maybe things work a little different. You could try to send a support ticket and ask. I upgraded December 23.

What's your upgrade membership? And how much should I be earning from your upgrade?

Thanks!

It doesn't really matter which upgrade I have, but it's the Maxi Promoter. Standard Members receive $1 for referral upgrades and Premium members $2.

Yet again, rui's upgrade was part of a special advertising pack so that is most likely the reason Dan did not receive a commission..

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Jan, 2014 at 2:36pm:

Yet again, rui's upgrade was part of a special advertising pack so that is most likely the reason Dan did not receive a commission..

One way or another, it's not okay that I did not receive the commission.

First, rui's referral is not in my and moneymarketing's downline. And now I didn't receive the commission from his purchase?

Paypal's not giving anyone a break. But it looks like he already had a backup plan.
http://ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=18043

That sounds a reasonably solid plan. Good to see he had something up his sleeve already. No matter what you say about the site, the admin clearly is a fighter. Much more than you-know-who.

ruicarlov wrote on 4^th Jan, 2014 at 7:50pm:

Paypal's not giving anyone a break. But it looks like he already had a backup plan. http://ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=18043 That sounds a reasonably solid plan. Good to see he had something up his sleeve already. No matter what you say about the site, the admin clearly is a fighter. Much more than you-know-who.

Yep, I've just read that... I don't see why he still bothers working with PayPal after all this mess..
I think he should focus his efforts on making other payment processors more popular among his members..
Kinda what neo did with neteller.. I don't thing that many people used it before then..

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Jan, 2014 at 9:32pm:

Yep, I've just read that... I don't see why he still bothers working with PayPal after all this mess.. I think he should focus his efforts on making other payment processors more popular among his members.. Kinda what neo did with neteller.. I don't thing that many people used it before then..

A lot of people use paypal and in the US people can no longer use payza. Plus, he still owes people money on paypal. He needs to get that sorted out in order to restore his credibility.

Plus, it seems that a good number of people can't use payza, and storm the forums whining and whining.

Kinda like what happened at US-based PTCs when payza went down for them. Some people just couldn't understand it is beyond the admin's power to make it work again. And there were all kinds of messages 'Please enable Payza again', 'I can't use anything else, I hope admin can bring Payza back', and so on.
I don't envy the admin's job. Having to deal with so much illiterate or just plain dumb people....

dansbanners wrote on 4^th Jan, 2014 at 3:00pm:

First, rui's referral is not in my and moneymarketing's downline. And now I didn't receive the commission from his purchase?

Unfortunately special packs are not included in commissions, we knew that from the start and it's normal in other PTCs as well (etc. twickerz).
However with the normal upgrade price being low it still has good potential. Here's my tier 1 commissions list so far :

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/3227/3qyj.png

Besides MM (aka dynamic) there are other people in my downline upgrading and purchasing advertising as well.
They may have purchased "special packages" that came with special promos during christmas and I may have not been credited from their purchases.
But commissions are still a bonus.. and they're 10% for tier 1 and 2% for 4 more levels which is actually pretty good.. so either way I'm ok with it.

When someone upgardes under me even if I earn from his purchase or not I will still benefit from his activity and advertising purchases.. That's much more than just $2 for his upgrade.. There are a couple of refs that have earned me more than $2 in just 2 months just by clicking ads. If they get upgraded that means that they will most likely stay active for about a year..

Btw, does Rui actually have any referrals in PTCSolution..?
It's showing zero under him.. if he does, then we should request support.

As for PayPal unfortunately I'm beginning to believe that it is not an appropriate payment processor for PTCs at all..
PTCs rely heavily on the payment processors they use and PayPal is not a reliable one anymore..

SolidSnake wrote on 5^th Jan, 2014 at 12:41am:

Unfortunately special packs are not included in commissions, we knew that from the start and it's normal in other PTCs as well (etc. twickerz). However with the normal upgrade price being low it still has good potential. Here's my tier 1 commissions list so far : <snipped> Besides MM (aka dynamic) there are other people in my downline upgrading and purchasing advertising as well. They may have purchased "special packages" that came with special promos during christmas and I may have not been credited from their purchases. But commissions are still a bonus.. and they're 10% for tier 1 and 2% for 4 more levels which is actually pretty good.. so either way I'm ok with it. When someone upgardes under me even if I earn from his purchase or not I will still benefit from his activity and advertising purchases.. That's much more than just $2 for his upgrade.. There are a couple of refs that have earned me more than $2 in just 2 months just by clicking ads. If they get upgraded that means that they will most likely stay active for about a year..

There comes a point whereas we cannot always rely on the program's "potential". I personally think the program is a mess as it is. IMHO.


SolidSnake wrote on 5^th Jan, 2014 at 12:41am:

Btw, does Rui actually have any referrals in PTCSolution..? It's showing zero under him.. if he does, then we should request support.

He claimed he did. Besides there also comes a point whereas we shouldn't have to ask. And that some of those things should work naturally.

I personally think we'd be better off to do an "addition by subtraction" with this program. And that the forum's team's focus should shift over to YGP. IMHO.

more bad news

http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=18962

Hmmm....delays.....hmmmm  :-?

And finally some good news.. (Mainly good regarding PayPal..)


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Hi guys. I'm sorry for such a quiet time recently, I was on short holidays and everything which could go bad, went bad.. I had a lot of problems with one of my servers and then I got some heavy flu which is still keeping me in the bed. So instead of getting some relaxed I got sick and stressed out :( Anyway I won't be boring you with my health issues. I have some good news about PTCSolution.com First of PayPal released some of the money from my 1st blocked account so it's already on it's way to my bank and then I will top up Payza and PayPal account to speed up awaiting payments. I also had some talks with silent partner but he resigned. But this just gave me proper energy boost and I think I found a way to keep PTCSolution.com only in my hands. Before I went on my short holidays I've already started making some moves and I will reveal the whole plan to you soon. So hopefully we won't have to wait until March and sell PTCSolution.com to some other company. In a day or two I will also catch up with all awaiting tickets, sorry for those delays. There is one more thing - every one who will open a dispute against me is going to be banned forever - no more mercy for people buying ads, referrals, getting paid and then opening a disputes. I will come back to you with much more info during this week so please stay tuned for more news! Best Regards

http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=22053

Yeah, I read about that.
That explains why my support ticket was taking so long to be answered. There was a bug and the membership that was supposed to last 1 year ended after 1 month. So I had 3 days as a standard before everything was resolved.

More news on PTCSolution.. and this time bigger ones..
It really brings back bad memories but I hope this time things will be different..

The Admin seems to be really active and he puts many more efforts in PTCSolution compared to the old PTCBox one..
Let's just wait and see..

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd Feb, 2014 at 12:01am:

More news on PTCSolution.. and this time bigger ones.. It really brings back bad memories but I hope this time things will be different.. The Admin seems to be really active and he puts many more efforts in PTCSolution compared to the old PTCBox one.. Let's just wait and see..

Yes, they are getting to the critical point. I can't see this failing since there is at least one person who wants to invest and plenty of people who are willing to help the site. So failure is a choice here IMO. That would be a shame  :-/

Another good point is also that they got their frozen PayPal funds back and used them on payments.
It's a good thing and if everything keeps going well like right now they'll join the tiny PTC list that have survived
a PayPal incident which is a great achievement for any PTC.

I'm really happy with my direct refs there and I'd love to see PTCSolution joining the big guys. :)

With all my worries about the recent Twickerz bad moments, I completely forgot to click ads in this site..... for two days.....

Could somebody lend me a really, REALLY hard wall? I need to bang my head a bit.
A head-banging smiley would be a nice bonus, too.

Another smart move from PTCSolution admin..

http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=28623

He is offering the stadard ads to 4 advertisers at a discounted price.

If he gets to sell even 1 of them he will be released of a big cost he would otherwise have to pay himself.
So this can speed up the delayed payments trouble..

It's good to see that this admin has been more active than most ones I have seen online after so many troubles.
It takes some guts to stand up and keep going when everybody says your are driving a sinking ship..

I really hope to see him succeed.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 9^th Mar, 2014 at 12:42pm:

Another smart move from PTCSolution admin.. http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=28623 He is offering the stadard ads to 4 advertisers at a discounted price. If he gets to sell even 1 of them he will be released of a big cost he would otherwise have to pay himself. So this can speed up the delayed payments trouble.. It's good to see that this admin has been more active than most ones I have seen online after so many troubles. It takes some guts to stand up and keep going when everybody says your are driving a sinking ship.. I really hope to see him succeed.. :)

It all still seems pretty ominous to me and the price you have to pay for those ads doesn't promise a very good return. Those prices and estimated hit counts remind me of the traffic exchanges and the prices they charge

I still say he should offer the front page feature ads like PTCBox did before. I'd be more interested in purchasing those and he doesn't have to pay a penny to members for those.

BTW, I have a pending payout that is over 30 days. I haven't said anything. I'm almost to the point of stopping my clicking there. I only do the minimum now

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Mar, 2014 at 5:36pm:

It all still seems pretty ominous to me and the price you have to pay for those ads doesn't promise a very good return. Those prices and estimated hit counts remind me of the traffic exchanges and the prices they charge I still say he should offer the front page feature ads like PTCBox did before. I'd be more interested in purchasing those and he doesn't have to pay a penny to members for those. BTW, I have a pending payout that is over 30 days. I haven't said anything. I'm almost to the point of stopping my clicking there. I only do the minimum now

I'll try to reach him through a support ticket.
It shouldn't be hard for his coder to implement it.. Maybe he'll listen this time..

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Mar, 2014 at 5:36pm:

It all still seems pretty ominous to me and the price you have to pay for those ads doesn't promise a very good return. Those prices and estimated hit counts remind me of the traffic exchanges and the prices they charge I still say he should offer the front page feature ads like PTCBox did before. I'd be more interested in purchasing those and he doesn't have to pay a penny to members for those. BTW, I have a pending payout that is over 30 days. I haven't said anything. I'm almost to the point of stopping my clicking there. I only do the minimum now

I think more focus should be on why you haven't gotten paid yet. I mean don't you think we've given them enough leeway?

dansbanners wrote on 10^th Mar, 2014 at 4:22am:

I think more focus should be on why you haven't gotten paid yet. I mean don't you think we've given them enough leeway?

We mainly haven't got paid yet because after the PayPal event their income was dramatically reduced and withdrawals were massively piled up.. it's what we should expect. But if you take a look at the Payment Proofs page it's clear enough that he indeed pays whatever he receives almost every single day.. There are hundreds of dollars paid out daily which also means people are still doing purchases and investments there.

So looking at it statistically I'm close to getting paid again.. and money paid will go to YGP shares so.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 10^th Mar, 2014 at 11:59am:

We mainly haven't got paid yet because after the PayPal event their income was dramatically reduced and withdrawals were massively piled up.. it's what we should expect. But if you take a look at the Payment Proofs page it's clear enough that he indeed pays whatever he receives almost every single day.. There are hundreds of dollars paid out daily which also means people are still doing purchases and investments there. So looking at it statistically I'm close to getting paid again.. and money paid will go to YGP shares so.. :)

Good to see their payment page being updated regularly. I'll leave it at that for now.

moneymarketing wrote on 9^th Mar, 2014 at 5:36pm:

BTW, I have a pending payout that is over 30 days.

When did you make the request? What date?

My one is "Jan 30 2014 01:19:13 AM" through PayPal (for the record)

dansbanners wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 1:42pm:

When did you make the request? What date?

Paypal: Jan 31 2014 03:26:04 AM

I don't think weekends count as business days (even though PTC sites work 24/7 ;D), so I think they're still within the set limit.

ruicarlov wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 6:27pm:

I don't think weekends count as business days (even though PTC sites work 24/7 ;D), so I think they're still within the set limit.

I don't think they count.. last times I got paid they counted weekends as well..

Plus the referral commissions also count exact days until they are added.
Until the recent changes I received them exactly 45 days after the sale.

Btw, another update : http://www.ptcsolution.com/forum.php?topic=29040

It seems that limits returned back to normal..

And they now have their new Facebook Page ready.. : https://www.facebook.com/netadsolution

ruicarlov wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 6:27pm:

I don't think weekends count as business days (even though PTC sites work 24/7 ;D), so I think they're still within the set limit.

That's a stretch. I know of no other sites that do that when the time limit is so long. That would be very deceiving if true and when admins start playing games like that then it is time to be cautious regarding them because that is weasel like behavior

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 10:08pm:

That's a stretch. I know of no other sites that do that when the time limit is so long. That would be very deceiving if true and when admins start playing games like that then it is time to be cautious regarding them because that is weasel like behavior

Well, I probably hit too hard with that statement. I understand that the site is suffering for cash. You guys know me by now, I tend to go off the deep end a bit sometimes.

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Well, I probably hit too hard with that statement. I understand that the site is suffering for cash. You guys know me by now, I tend to go off the deep end a bit sometimes.

Well, we don't always have to agree right? :P

Besides.. it doesn't happen on this site and if it does on other sites then they're like you say.. nothing wrong there.. :)

I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere in a forum topic. In any case it is up to 31 business days. If they manage to get it done under 31 calendar days, all the better.

Good thing the limits are getting a bit higher. Too bad the referral click value is still a bit lower than before. I still get daily profit each day, so there's no problem there. It will just take longer to recover the investment.

Yes, it's 31 business days as stated in their TOS "Payments for users are processed within 31 business days after the payment request."

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Paypal: Jan 31 2014 03:26:04 AM

Even in that case you should be close to 31 business days by now.

dansbanners wrote on 13^th Mar, 2014 at 1:51pm:

Even in that case you should be close to 31 business days by now.

Yes, it is pretty close to being up.

Has anybody done a comparison between buying direct referrals and renting referrals? Since my referrals are accumulating cash there for me, I may as well compound it. 

My experience from Twickerz is the buying referrals sucks.
Over time they stop clicking and you can't recycle them.

PTCsolution's rented referrals are a bit "too" good. I hardly recycle any of them.
If bought referrals behave the same, it should be interesting. If not...

moneymarketing wrote on 13^th Mar, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Yes, it is pretty close to being up.

You may reach 31 business days next week.

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th Mar, 2014 at 5:18pm:

Paypal: Jan 31 2014 03:26:04 AM

Has anyone here made a payment request prior to the above date?

dansbanners wrote on 18^th Mar, 2014 at 3:21pm:

Has anyone here made a payment request prior to the above date?

I did one day earlier.. Jan 30 2014 01:19:13 AM. I'll let you all know if there is an update.
They still keep on doing payments every day.. payment proofs page

Btw,  I also noticed this forum post regarding payments.

There it is! I was sure I've read that thing about business days somewhere in the forum, but I couldn't find it.

Btw, they have almost completed their network sites : http://netadsolution.com/
I've joined their AdServer and it seems to be ok.
Haven't added the code to my site yet though but I'll give it a try soon.

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Mar, 2014 at 8:52am:

I did one day earlier.. Jan 30 2014 01:19:13 AM. I'll let you all know if there is an update. They still keep on doing payments every day.. payment proofs page Btw,  I also noticed this forum post regarding payments.

Did you make a request through paypal? If I counted correctly, today would be your 33rd business day.

dansbanners wrote on 19^th Mar, 2014 at 10:29pm:

Did you make a request through paypal? If I counted correctly, today would be your 33rd business day.

Yes it was through PayPal and basically using a calendar-calculator I got 35 business days.
Today they paid out $1098.26 and most of the days they pay large amounts so my turn will eventually come.
The queue must be really long by now.. but as they say members are able to request multiple payments so
if someone requests a new withdrawal every week he may end up getting paid almost every week..

PTCSoluton is rather slow at payments lately, but at least they really do implement stuff instead of just promising to do stuff..

One day in Feb was an holiday, at least it was in the states.

dansbanners wrote on 20^th Mar, 2014 at 2:46am:

One day in Feb was an holiday, at least it was in the states.

It's ok, as far as I know PTCSolution goes with Poland's holidays..

Well, here's some news..

I suggested in the PTCSolution forum that members that post payment proofs post the day they requested withdrawal and thankfully some did follow this guideline.

So we now know that today's payments were paid to the members that requested a withdrawal on 18th of January.

We'll see how this date moves on through the following days and I think we will get a picture of when our turn will come. :)

I've asked the mods to make that post a sticky in order not to have to bump it.. Let's see..

Wow.. looks like I got their attention..
I received a PM from one of the admins stating that they added that info on the withdrawal history page.. :)
Check it out! It says they're currently at 2013-01-20 on PayPal payments. We're getting there..  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

SolidSnake wrote on 22^nd Mar, 2014 at 2:19am:

Wow.. looks like I got their attention.. I received a PM from one of the admins stating that they added that info on the withdrawal history page.. :) Check it out! It says they're currently at 2013-01-20 on PayPal payments. We're getting there..  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

That's good to know.

Looks like some more changes have taken place, including some alterations to the Adgrid. Do you get more traffic nowadays? The price is now at $13/month.

ruicarlov wrote on 29^th Mar, 2014 at 2:15pm:

Looks like some more changes have taken place, including some alterations to the Adgrid. Do you get more traffic nowadays? The price is now at $13/month.

Well it's actually $12 / month and it gets discounts as you get more links.
Plus they also increased the prizes to members clicking the grid.

I'll check out their traffic in the following days to see if there's any increase in the traffic.

Well, I managed to get admin's attention on the homepage ads idea..:
discussion page

Quoting the whole discussion :


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Quote: marte Adgrid was $4/month, then $8/month and now $12/month. Why to pay more for same visits?

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Quote: admin Would you mind sharing stats of daily clicks with AdGrid when the price was $4 per month and now?

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Quote:SolidSnake Actually I can do that.. and I'm not too happy about it.. but if it's for the good of the site I sure can accept the changes, even pay a bit more just to support PTCSolution. Checking up my previous grid traffic stats here are some details : Logged at 4th of December to 4th of January, I received ~30.000 visitors within a month at the price of $4. That translates to an average cost of : $0,000133 / click Nowadays (28th of February to 28th of March) I received 19.487 visitors also within a month at the price of $8. That translates to an average cost of : $0,000410 / click However if the price goes up to $12 / month without traffic increase that would not make it a great option anymore. I hope that the increase in the bonuses will motivate more people to use the Grid so there will be an increase in the traffic it delivers as well. Well, my campaign ends at May 5th, so I'll probably have collected much more data to help me decide until then. BTW, I've joined the AdServer program and it seems well organised. People should really check it out! Keep up the great work, admin.. the "View Ads" page shows you're doing an amazing so far! PS. I still look forward to getting a reply regarding the "Homepage Advertising Spots" suggestion that many people are interested in...

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Quote: admin @SolidSnake In December we were in our best form. Prices were just too good especially with such good prizes and many people winning main prizes. It had to be recalculated at some stage as it was generating poor loss. Would you mind dropping me a line on support with that main page ad spots as it's so much on this forum that I'm getting lost sometimes ;)

So, I'd like to ask you guys first.. how do you think I should put it?
What would be the most interesting way to have some advertising spot on their homepage?
I'm talking about possible spot locations and price.

SolidSnake wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2014 at 11:29am:

Well, I managed to get admin's attention on the homepage ads idea..: discussion page Quoting the whole discussion : So, I'd like to ask you guys first.. how do you think I should put it? What would be the most interesting way to have some advertising spot on their homepage? I'm talking about possible spot locations and price.

I sent the PM to you with my suggestion. I'll throw it up here to add to the discussion:

That sounds great. It would not take much. All he needs is about a half dozen text ads on prime real estate. That is what PTCBox and Matrix mails did. The only drawback with theirs is that once they were full, a lot of people got left out. If he were to make them rotating, they could probably generate a lot of revenue

moneymarketing wrote on 3^rd Apr, 2014 at 7:41pm:

I sent the PM to you with my suggestion. I'll throw it up here to add to the discussion: That sounds great. It would not take much. All he needs is about a half dozen text ads on prime real estate. That is what PTCBox and Matrix mails did. The only drawback with theirs is that once they were full, a lot of people got left out. If he were to make them rotating, they could probably generate a lot of revenue

Well, thanks to ptcscrutiny we have a screenshot of the old PTCBox so we can see what was really happening there :

http://i.imgur.com/wHN2ydU.jpg

As we can see it had 2 special static links called "Featured Site" which if I remember right used to cost $100/month?
And there were 7 more text ads that if I'm not wrong worked on as rotators, didn't they? But how much did they cost?
Does anybody remember?

Dam* after so long I still feel like taking my hat off to that design.. so clean and flawless..
and it could produce such a nice cash flow in such a limited space.. Just look at it guys..
It's all symetrical, with simple colors and bright text font on dark backgrounds.. a real work of art.

Anyways, to sum it up, all of those both static and rotated text ads were in the "Prime Real Estate" area and produced so many conversions in other programs that advertisers were so happy and lined up to get them..

I think I'll pass the idea to the PTCSolution admin now..

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Apr, 2014 at 1:57am:

I think I'll pass the idea to the PTCSolution admin now..

They're still only up to the 1/21 date in the payment queue, the admin is asking for donation, let the program go... ::)

Don't be like "head banging against the wall". ;)

Just some constructive advice.

dansbanners wrote on 4^th Apr, 2014 at 6:36pm:

They're still only up to the 1/21 date in the payment queue, the admin is asking for donation, let the program go... ::) Don't be like "head banging against the wall". ;) Just some constructive advice.

Actually, I'm building up a pretty nice cash flow. I have been buying 50 referrals every time my cash reaches $10 and now I'm up to 241 RRs. The thing is, even if I can't withdraw cash, I can still use the on site income to buy advertising, so it still has some value if you are willing to look for it  :)

OK, so who is Mr. Positive now?  ;D

moneymarketing wrote on 4^th Apr, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Actually, I'm building up a pretty nice cash flow. I have been buying 50 referrals every time my cash reaches $10 and now I'm up to 241 RRs. The thing is, even if I can't withdraw cash, I can still use the on site income to buy advertising, so it still has some value if you are willing to look for it  :) OK, so who is Mr. Positive now?  ;D

Ha. Alright you guys do what you want. Good luck! :)

I'm still on email discussion with Wiktor, the admin there.

He's redesigning the site and will also switch to a Credit-Per-Click or Credit-Per-Day banner advertising system which has a lot of potential in a site of that size.

I've pointed the "Prime Real Estate" idea to him.. it seemed kinda weird to him but I told him that I was also not too sure about it until I personally tried it. He said he'll think about it and see if it can fit his design.

As for the positivity, unlike many others he seems to be a well dedicated to his work admin and I support that.
He also did well in handling the PayPal event and the site now seems safe from that side, that's also an important factor.

It's good to play on the safe side of things by only promoting apparently safe sites like clixsense and twickerz/YGP,
but this could prevent us from expanding our online businesses..

A healthy business should always expand in a constant stable rate to stay healthy.

By the way they got back their locked funds and paid out more than $9000 today... so the queue is now at :

Payza:      2014-01-18
PayPal:      2014-01-26

I can't even imagine how many people requested a payout during those days..

The update thread is here.
Looks like they implemented a fresh brighter look as well.

SolidSnake wrote on 5^th Apr, 2014 at 12:11am:

I've pointed the "Prime Real Estate" idea to him.. it seemed kinda weird to him but I told him that I was also not too sure about it until I personally tried it. He said he'll think about it and see if it can fit his design..

Isn't that amazing. I've dealt with many site owners that have the same mentality. It is amazing how many people work on the web and have no idea how it functions from a customer perspective. We are definitely still in a frontier land

moneymarketing wrote on 4^th Apr, 2014 at 9:15pm:

Actually, I'm building up a pretty nice cash flow. I have been buying 50 referrals every time my cash reaches $10 and now I'm up to 241 RRs. The thing is, even if I can't withdraw cash, I can still use the on site income to buy advertising, so it still has some value if you are willing to look for it  :) OK, so who is Mr. Positive now?  ;D

I did my last $10 RR buy yesterday. Since then I've earned $1.85. So those referrals should pay me back every 6 days or so

Almost there!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Payza:      2014-01-23
PayPal:      2014-01-29

Just right when I needed it the most.. payment received!
Btw, I now can't see the current "being paid" dates.. It seems you need to have a pending payment to be able to see them.

SolidSnake wrote on 29^th Apr, 2014 at 3:04pm:

Just right when I needed it the most.. payment received! Btw, I now can't see the current "being paid" dates.. It seems you need to have a pending payment to be able to see them.

We are currently processing withdraws from the date:
Payza:      2014-01-23
PayPal:      2014-01-30


I'm at:
Jan 31 2014 04:26:04 AM

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Hello David, Just thought you'd like to know Netadsolution.com LLC sent you $13.22 USD.

:o :-?

Now I'm stunned, I don't know what to do  :-/

Hmmmmm  :money

:D

[smiley=12-party.gif]

:phew

Things are looking up!  :)

Lol.. Yes that's how it goes.. it took a while longer than I expected you to get it but ok.
From my point of view those were the days everyone requested a cashout and many gave up after that
so once those payouts get out of the queue things will speed up again..

Some of my referrals are even more active than before.. With 7 active refs I'm currently earning ~140% of what I'm earning at YGP with 5 active shares.. Though since cashing out is kind of a problem right now I can always use them for advertising YGP as well..

One way or another, PTCSolution is back in the climbing curve.. :)

moneymarketing wrote on 6^th May, 2014 at 9:23pm:

:o :-? Now I'm stunned, I don't know what to do  :-/ Hmmmmm  :money :D [smiley=12-party.gif] :phew Things are looking up!  :)

Glad you got paid! :)

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th May, 2014 at 9:43pm:

Lol.. Yes that's how it goes.. it took a while longer than I expected you to get it but ok. From my point of view those were the days everyone requested a cashout and many gave up after that so once those payouts get out of the queue things will speed up again.. Some of my referrals are even more active than before.. With 7 active refs I'm currently earning ~140% of what I'm earning at YGP with 5 active shares.. Though since cashing out is kind of a problem right now I can always use them for advertising YGP as well.. One way or another, PTCSolution is back in the climbing curve.. :)

I've maxed out my RR's (250) at my current upgrade level but those are making income daily so it is good. Now that we can use our income for upgrades, I'll save for the next level and a little bit more in order to buy some RRs the minute I upgrade. I have about $28 in income there now so it shouldn't be too long.

It is too bad about the commission loss from referrals. I was sending you some cash every once in a while that way. Maybe soon that will return. Until then I'll build my RR team since it generates a net profit (in house at least) and I can use that for advertising some time down the road

Yes, I'm also generating an in-house profit of about $175 per month.
But that doesn't mean all that much yet if cashouts are taking so long.
I'll wait and see, and probably rent some more refs along the way.

ruicarlov wrote on 7^th May, 2014 at 1:44pm:

Yes, I'm also generating an in-house profit of about $175 per month. But that doesn't mean all that much yet if cashouts are taking so long. I'll wait and see, and probably rent some more refs along the way.

That should also generate some fantastic advertising for you. If you go for banners then you will help to lower site debt and he might open other benefits that he is temporarily witholding