It now says "Stats will be updated shortly." in the referrals / stage page....hmm

Yes, it seems they did keep their promise. Pre-Launch is now over and we can generate code for our sites.
I did this for my PTCBox.Me home page top banner space instead of adhitz.. so you can see what it's like.
So far it displays RefBan banner leading to their homepage but I'm not sure if visitors are directed there by
my referral link.

Stats page, still it says no to active refs but I'm not sure if anyone is actually "active" so I'll just wait and see.
And also that "Stats will be updated shortly." message like Dan says. Anyways, finally some action! :)

[edit]Note:
I moved these posts to a new topic in order to make it easier to find the new posts after launch.
Since this discussion was becoming really big.. and no-one likes to scroll through pages..  :)[/edit]

Where, exactly, can we display these banners? Can they be displayed at third party sites or do we need to have our own sites in order to display them?

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 8:04am:

Where, exactly, can we display these banners? Can they be displayed at third party sites or do we need to have our own sites in order to display them?

You need to have access to the html code of the site you'll put them on.
Etc. it might be a blog space like blogspot since you can change the html code.

I read their T.o.S. today and they don't say anything specific to that.
The only "rule" they set is to have "one banner per page.". (That's noted in their banners info page)

However, Google is not that good at allowing stuff with other advertising companies, so I wouldn't recommend that.
But you can always find some free hosting server, to do that. Only these servers usually require more content than
just a banner.

SolidSnake wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 1:36pm:

I read their T.o.S. today and they don't say anything specific to that. The only "rule" they set is to have "one banner per page.". (That's noted in their banners info page)

Any banners? Or just one refban banner per page?

dansbanners wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Any banners? Or just one refban banner per page?

It's one refban banner space code per page. (They don't say anything about other companies and I don't really think they care)
In this page you get your code generated in html.
You pick the categories that are related to your site, and then you copy the code provided to your site's html code.
It will then show banner ads sold by refban in that space, the same way adhitz works.

My space is already visible in my home page (www.ptcbox.me) top. And in RefBan I can already see how many views it got
and how many clicks it received. Something that I like is that according to what they've said, it doesn't matter if you click
your own ads since their system does not depend on total views or clicks your ad has received. This is great in my opinion
since I've found myself interested in some ads that were on my adhitz space and I wanted to click and visit them but I didn't
since I'm not allowed to click in my own ad space. That's a thumbs up [smiley=thumbsup.gif] for RefBan from me.

SolidSnake wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 1:36pm:

You need to have access to the html code of the site you'll put them on. Etc. it might be a blog space like blogspot since you can change the html code. I read their T.o.S. today and they don't say anything specific to that. The only "rule" they set is to have "one banner per page.". (That's noted in their banners info page) However, Google is not that good at allowing stuff with other advertising companies, so I wouldn't recommend that. But you can always find some free hosting server, to do that. Only these servers usually require more content than just a banner.

So I suppose making your own splash page with the banner, some copy and a link to refban would be all right?

We could do that and I also have a site that gives people free webspace. We could incorporate that into it and have people build their own splash pages which they could advertise on other sites

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 5:48pm:

So I suppose making your own splash page with the banner, some copy and a link to refban would be all right? We could do that and I also have a site that gives people free webspace. We could incorporate that into it and have people build their own splash pages which they could advertise on other sites

Not sure what you mean by that sorry.

Keep in mind that the banner space will not necessarily lead to RefBan. It could point to whichever site someone
advertises through RefBan so it might be somewhat irrelevant to place that space in a splash-page that has a
specific purpose.

Example :
If I use the banner impressions I've purchased through RefBan to advertise x.ptcbox.me using my banner.
Then let's say that you place your RefBan generated banner space code on a splash page of yours, that
you actually use to get referrals for RefBan, and then drive traffic to it.

Your splash page will then contain my X-PTCBox Forum banner, then your content and your ref link to RefBan.
Now if a visitor reaches your splash page and potentially finds interest in my banner he won't pay attention to
your actual content so you might lose potential refs.

I look at it more like appealing to two different customers at the same time. You could use the refban code on a page as an example. If the banner appeals to the customer, that is all the better. You could have copy saying something like:

Get paid to show this banner on your site.

No Site? Let us show you how to build a splash page like this one

Then you could have your various links or an email capture. You could market step by step instructions like them signing up to refban, then getting a site and then the instructions for them to build the splash page

I'm waiting till this "Stats will be updated shortly." goes away

moneymarketing wrote on 30^th Apr, 2013 at 8:04pm:

I look at it more like appealing to two different customers at the same time. You could use the refban code on a page as an example. If the banner appeals to the customer, that is all the better. You could have copy saying something like: Get paid to show this banner on your site. No Site? Let us show you how to build a splash page like this one Then you could have your various links or an email capture. You could market step by step instructions like them signing up to refban, then getting a site and then the instructions for them to build the splash page

I don't feel there's much point in including it in a splashpage..
Their advertising structure is based on targetted traffic so they provide ads that are related to your content.
Which means that the banner ad space itself should not be the main purpose of the page/site and there should
be some actual "content".

In order for it to be properly targetted a member should be on your site for a purpose, then banner ad space
should provide related content on the banner and then if the visitor gets attracted by the ad he may click it
and visit the site that is being currently advertised there. Since it doesn't play a big part for us for it to be clicked
I wouldn't put it at a really important place where I need the visitor to follow a specific process such as joining a
program that I provide details for him. I need him to stay on my site and continue there.

So far, RefBan's admin, doesn't seem to care much if our ads receive clicks or not (like it happens in adhitz)
but they care more about it being targetted which seems to be more important for him.

Also there's this in their T.o.S.:


Quote:

Site Content. Referral Banners is a family safe network and as such, we reserve the right to reject any website containing pornography, nudity, sexuality, spam, racist content, copyright infringement, illegal activities or illegal software. This includes (but is not limited to) sites containing adult related products or services. We also reserve the right to refuse any site that redirects to another address, is a get rich quick scheme, has heavy amounts of advertising, contains pop-ups or resizes the browser to fullscreen.

Which means they don't like "banner crop field" sites or redirecting like it usually happens on splash pages.

There comes a point whereas we really don't know for sure unless we start seeing some stats. Besides you know the thinking "don't say no for them".

Well, that's also right.

By the way, we've got a new update on the site.. looks like they're reconstructing the advertise area :


Quote:

> Buy Impressions In development. Please allow up to 5 days for this to be completed.

I think it's because they are finally ready to let us use those banner impressions since people have already
generated the banner space code on their sites, so they're implementing a form where we'll probably enter
a description, a banner url and a link to the page we'd like to advertise. Oh and they now offer a $5 sign-up
bonus instead of the $10 of the pre-launch period.

Have you got any kind of downline comissions yet?

ruicarlov wrote on 1^st May, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Have you got any kind of downline comissions yet?

Not yet, probably because no-one has started to be credited for displaying banner ads on his site yet.
And that is probably because they're still developing the advertisements area..

A good question is... shouldn't all this stuff been ready before the pre-launch so that it gets tested during the pre-launch?
Unfortunately "pre-launch" periods in this industry is only a marketing trick.. the only thing that happens in such periods
usually is the site's database being filled with members. It usually has nothing to do with developing and testing of the site
as it should be.. That's why so many sites cause frustration when they first go public.. due to unfinished development.

It still says "Stats will be updated shortly." I think the emphasis should be will or how they'll count the impressions then see where we go from there.

Ok, the stats has been updated. Now, I'm wondering about the "Current daily rate for displaying banners: $0.05", where does that show in the stats?

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd May, 2013 at 7:08pm:

Ok, the stats has been updated. Now, I'm wondering about the "Current daily rate for displaying banners: $0.05", where does that show in the stats?

Good news! They actually did it faster than I was expecting.. :)
Here are my stats :

Current daily rate for displaying banners $0.10
Current rate per active referral (ten levels) $0.02
Remaining before cashout $39.58  /  2 sales
Total $10.42

I assume the active ref in our downline is moneymarketing right?
So far I've collected $0.42 could be 3 days x $0.10 and 1 day of $0.12.
This could mean that moneymarketing or another one of dan's refs
purchased advertising yesterday or started showing ads on his site yesterday.

That's cool but I'm not sure how sustainable it will be..
Well time will tell. :)

[edit]The advertise page is still not ready though..[/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd May, 2013 at 7:15pm:

Good news! They actually did it faster than I was expecting.. :) Here are my stats : Current daily rate for displaying banners $0.10 Current rate per active referral (ten levels) $0.02 Remaining before cashout $39.58  /  2 sales Total $10.42 I assume the active ref in our downline is moneymarketing right? So far I've collected $0.42 could be 3 days x $0.10 and 1 day of $0.12. This could mean that moneymarketing or another one of dan's refs purchased advertising yesterday or started showing ads on his site yesterday. That's cool but I'm not sure how sustainable it will be.. Well time will tell. :) [edit]The advertise page is still not ready though..[/edit]

No, it's not me. It is someone under me because I've earned $2.25 from someone's sale and I have 1 active member of 18

The potential is awesome though

Sounds good. However, I'm still wondering where within the stats are they counting the impressions?

Wow... I have $35.68 in my cash balance already..

But without buying advertising myself, I'm not sure I would actually get it. :|

Looks like you're only able to add the banner codes to your own website and not to a 3rd party's site right?

Yes.

But I have 3 active referrals in 3 levels (1 in each level, total 3). I think I got commissions. Still not able to figure out how it works.  :-/

venkat wrote on 4^th May, 2013 at 9:36am:

Yes. But I have 3 active referrals in 3 levels (1 in each level, total 3). I think I got commissions. Still not able to figure out how it works.  :-/

I think it's all clear now for me..
Check my review for basic information.

Here are my stats to give you an example :

1. Current daily rate for displaying banners - $0.10 (Publishers get $0.05 / day, Advertisers get $0.10 / day)

This is what we get daily just by displaying banners on our website (regardless of traffic or clicks)

2. Current rate per active referral (ten levels) - $0.02 (Publishers get $0.01 , Advertisers get $0.02)

This is what we receive for every referral that is considered active. (Note that it doesn't say "daily" here.. ;) )
That is a one time commission per referral, and it goes down to 10 levels.

3. Remaining before cashout - $39.48  /  2 sales

This is what we have to do in order to be liable for a cashout. Collect this amount AND
do 2 sales through our 1st Tier referrals. I think it also means 2 separate referrals.

4. Total - $10.52

This is our main balance.. the amount we're able to cashout. It has to reach $100 for publishers and $50 for advertisers.

By the way, I was waiting to be sure about #2 and now I'm fully assured that the system is 100% stable and it's only
based on income to pay its members. It requires us to make sales but at least we can be assured that we'll be paid.

Thumbs up for Rogue! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
I hope I cleared your thoughts venkat.

(Btw, I'm away from home and I can barely connect to the internet here.. it takes like 5 minutes to load a simple page..
Sorry for my absence everyone!  :( )

A good clarification is also this note in their T.o.S. page :


Quote:

Any money earned with Referral Banners (including, but not limited to, your sign-up bonus) can only be withdrawn after you fulfill the cashout criteria for your account type. These are as follows: Members must earn $100.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 5 separate advertisers. Advertisers must earn $50.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 2 separate advertisers.

This means that in order to cashout as a publisher you need to refer at least 5 advertisers (members that purchase any advertising package) to the site and as an advertiser you need 2.

So let's do some calculations to check the economical stability of the site :

Let's say that a member buys the lower advertising package which is $15. This way he becomes advertiser for a year.
Then immediately he refers two members that also do the same (pays $15 each) but fail to refer any advertiser.
So the site gets $30 from their sales and pay the member 30% of each sale which means : $30 * 0.3 = $9.
These sales also grant the member with bonus 2 x $0.02 = $0.04.
Now the first member will be displaying banners for a year and as an advertiser he'll get $0.10 per day for displaying banners: 365 days x $0.10 = $36.5

To sum things up after a year the member will have accumulated : $36.5 + $0.04 + $9 = $45.54
Which still doesn't meet the cashout requirement for this member so it requires at least 3 sales to reach the cashout within 1 year.

I'll make a new post to include a couple of cases with a multi-level downline..

Take a look at this picture since I'll do my research based on this :

http://www.ptcbox.me/images/RefbanDownline.png

Considering that the Member 1 has only his 1st tier of downline and one of his 2 referrals
has made a second purchase (3 sales in total from 2 refs) earning him : $45 * 0.3 = $13.5

Member 1 will have earned : $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04
The site will have earned : $15 x 4 = $60 of which after paying the member it makes $60 - $50.04 = $9.96 pure profit.

Let's now add the 2nd Tier :

Member 1 will have earned : $36.5 + (6 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.12 + $13.5 = $50.12
Member 2 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04
Member 3 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04

The site will have earned : $15 x 10 = $150 but will have to pay $150.18 so it is beginning to lose stability after 2 tiers.

Let's add the 3rd Tier to see how worse it can get :

Member 1 will have earned : $36.5 + (12x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.12 + $13.5 = $50.24
Member 2 will have earned : $36.5 + (6 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.12 + $13.5 = $50.12
Member 3 will have earned : $36.5 + (6 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.12 + $13.5 = $50.12
Member 4 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04
Member 5 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04
Member 6 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04
Member 7 will have earned : $36.5 + (2 x $0.02) + ($45 x 0.3) = $36.5 + $0.04 + $13.5 = $50.04

The site will have collected 22 x $15 = $330 but will have to pay 350.64 so it's not so stable..
Adding more levels will make it even less stable in the long term..

However every failure to advertisers to generate all required sales within a year will lead to more profits
for the site, since members will have to make new purchases to re-gain the advertiser status.

From what I see the instability is caused by the $0.10 daily bonus they offer to advertisers.
Also buying bigger packages does not make things worse because the percentage earned for
the upline is still 30% so no instability is caused by that. It actually benefits the site, since
a less amount of sales will help less members reach the cashout requirement. And also the
advertisers that join the site without an upline will benefit the site too.

I personally feel that it won't be an issue because for more than 90% of internet marketers
it will be very difficult to generate sales through their direct refs. A lot of people will just join
un-referred to purchase advertising and won't promote at all.. So I think in overall Rogue did
a good job here.

The chance of failure seems to be small enough.. :)
What do you guys think?

Quote:

Any money earned with Referral Banners (including, but not limited to, your sign-up bonus) can only be withdrawn after you fulfill the cashout criteria for your account type. These are as follows: Members must earn $100.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 5 separate advertisers. Advertisers must earn $50.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 2 separate advertisers.

In that case, we'd be better off to purchase advertising.

Can you promote a page with the Refban banner in it in a traffic exchange?

dansbanners wrote on 4^th May, 2013 at 7:15pm:

In that case, we'd be better off to purchase advertising.

Yep, without it it seems that it will be way too hard to reach the cashout requirements.
As a publisher, not only you need more sales, but also you earn half the amounts from each one.
So it's a 4x speed up to be an advertiser.. :)


dansbanners wrote on 4^th May, 2013 at 7:16pm:

Can you promote a page with the Refban banner in it in a traffic exchange?

Since there's nothing in their T.o.S. that forbids it at any way, I see no reason why we shouldn't.

But how much information on the page do you need besides the banner. I could easily put up a page with the banner only. I'm pretty sure they would not want that.

This is why I suggested the splash page (or something a bit longer that promotes the Refban opportunity and shows their banner as an example) as a solution. That provides
a page that has some substance and also gives us something to market to others.

We could also make up mini pages of our best income opportunities with the refban page prominently displayed.


That said, this site is clearly looking like it is geared towards advertisers and publishers. Affiliate marketers need not apply in other words. That cuts down our potential referrals and thus our potential income

moneymarketing wrote on 5^th May, 2013 at 4:42pm:

That said, this site is clearly looking like it is geared towards advertisers and publishers. Affiliate marketers need not apply in other words. That cuts down our potential referrals and thus our potential income

Not necessary. First, it could be geared towards the big name marketers. Cause they're the ones that are willing to pay for advertising. And there were times, that of some of the programs' dilemma was that they had too many free members. So it could work both ways.

Besides, we could also do some team work in here in the forum whereas in order for us to cash out, two of our downline members could purchase some advertising and we could then reimburse them for what they paid for, thus a win-win situation for everyone. 

venkat wrote on 3^rd May, 2013 at 10:09am:

Wow... I have $35.68 in my cash balance already.. But without buying advertising myself, I'm not sure I would actually get it. :|

Did you join Refban through the X-PTCBox forum's downline builder?

moneymarketing wrote on 5^th May, 2013 at 4:42pm:

But how much information on the page do you need besides the banner. I could easily put up a page with the banner only. I'm pretty sure they would not want that. This is why I suggested the splash page (or something a bit longer that promotes the Refban opportunity and shows their banner as an example) as a solution. That provides a page that has some substance and also gives us something to market to others. We could also make up mini pages of our best income opportunities with the refban page prominently displayed.

Yes, and the click ratio might also be better on a splash page. Sometime it could also be distracting if a page has too many ads, banners and texts in it, etc. 

Small update :


Quote:

> Buy Impressions In development. This will be completed by May 10th.

Regarding where the banner space is located I really feel it's not important.. and it should not be placed at an important
section of our sites. Since we don't get anything more if it gets clicked or not we just have to have it visible somewhere
on our sites. This is what I've been trying to explain since the beginning..

As long as it's visible we'll get $0.05 or $0.10 according to our account type..
It won't change anything if it gets seen or clicked by 5 people a day or 50.000 people a day.
We won't get anything more or anything less so it's really not our problem, it's not
our job to generate leads for the site advertised there, it's RefBan's job..

We don't get referrals by that banner space.. at least we won't once the advertise page is complete.
In order to get refs we should advertise our ref link using the tools provided in this page.
However it's still in development too.. and they removed the banner we've been using so far.

[edit]Maybe I should clarify the term "banner space" that I use here :

Banner Space : the code generated in this page that we offer to RefBan in order for them to display the banner ads that they sell to their members.. etc. it could be a member advertising his neobux banner/ref link there.. It works just like AdHitz and AdSense.. for publishers, only we do NOT get paid everytime someone clicks on the banner through our site. The difference with RefBan is that our earned amount is fixed.[/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 5^th May, 2013 at 7:19pm:

Small update : Regarding where the banner space is located I really feel it's not important.. and it should not be placed at an important section of our sites. Since we don't get anything more if it gets clicked or not we just have to have it visible somewhere on our sites. This is what I've been trying to explain since the beginning.. As long as it's visible we'll get $0.05 or $0.10 according to our account type.. It won't change anything if it gets seen or clicked by 5 people a day or 50.000 people a day. We won't get anything more or anything less so it's really not our problem, it's not our job to generate leads for the site advertised there, it's RefBan's job.. We don't get referrals by that banner space.. at least we won't once the advertise page is complete. In order to get refs we should advertise our ref link using the tools provided in this page. However it's still in development too.. and they removed the banner we've been using so far. [edit]Maybe I should clarify the term "banner space" that I use here : Banner Space : the code generated in this page that we offer to RefBan in order for them to display the banner ads that they sell to their members.. etc. it could be a member advertising his neobux banner/ref link there.. It works just like AdHitz and AdSense.. for publishers, only we do NOT get paid everytime someone clicks on the banner through our site. The difference with RefBan is that our earned amount is fixed.[/edit]

This is a philosophy I've always disagreed with in marketing (I hope I'm not about to step on your toes but I feel it needs to be said). As marketers, our first obligation is to our customer. The reason for this is if we are offering them something that doesn't pay off for them, they will soon look for something better that does.

We need to be focused on giving our advertisers banner space that sells their opportunity. It may not be in prime real estate (defined as the space a surfer sees the instant they land on your page) but it should also not be buried at the bottom of a 200,000 word  script if we are being honest.

There is nothing more frustrating to me as a banner advertiser than going to a web page and seeing my banner displayed at the bottom of a page. That tells me the guy is not very interested in my business and only wants to give my views to the few people who bother to read through everything he is selling before he is willing to tell them who is paying for all that

I hope I am not offending but that is just the way I see it. If you are going to sell banner space and want to take money for selling banner space then respect the guy that is putting food on your table

dansbanners wrote on 5^th May, 2013 at 4:54pm:

Not necessary. First, it could be geared towards the big name marketers. Cause they're the ones that are willing to pay for advertising. And there were times, that of some of the programs' dilemma was that they had too many free members. So it could work both ways. Besides, we could also do some team work in here in the forum whereas in order for us to cash out, two of our downline members could purchase some advertising and we could then reimburse them for what they paid for, thus a win-win situation for everyone.

I think the reason they required two sales is because they didn't want a situation where someone could find a friend and have them join and do what you say in order to cash out their commissions.

That is just what I read into it. If this is the case then they are working hard to make sure they shut people out of the income stream. It is legalities like those that cause me to lose respect for affiliate sites. Marketers aren't stupid. They see when sites do things like that and it discourages participation. Making hoops to jump through is not a goodwill move.

I would be happier if they made no hoops to jump through and lower commissions than what they are doing but then it would be hard for them to bring in all the marketers wouldn't it? It is much easier for them to offer huge commissions and then take them all back with little tricks and legal loopholes hoping that no one will read the fine print

OK! Rant for the day is done  :)

Here is an idea:

We could copy the sales script for refban onto a splash page and then put the refban banner code on top of that. Then we could show that page in traffic exchanges and PTC sites

Maybe something like a squidoo page

The thing is, it should have a lead capture on it so we could continue to market to them

As a matter of fact, maybe we should talk to the admin of refban to build something like this. This would be a ready made page for marketers who don't have their own page. It solves a number of problems.

It prominently displays the site's banners, that would increase the click through ratio which would satisfy advertisers

They could put a lead capture on it which will increase signup conversions

and it would broaden the number of people that could promote their product. You would bring in people who don't have the skills or desire to build a webpage. Suddenly, all those people would be using their ad credits to promote

It's ok, I'm not offended and obviously my refban banner space is at the top of my homepage.. :P
It's a good location for that purpose as targeted visitors of my site that find me through google will mainly be pointed there.

The advertiser that buys banner impressions through refban is not practically my own customer and I'm at no way
responsible for his own satisfaction. In this case Refban is my customer and the one that I have to satisfy..

Of course I'll get my share if I'm the one pointing him at refban.. and it's my benefit included if he's satisfied so that
I get more shares from his purchases as well.., but refban is the one responsible to check the banner spaces that
we publishers offer to them, and it's up to them to pick the most appropriate places, on compatible sites based
on each site's content. If the content is related to the advertiser's marketing section then he'll most likely get his leads.

But nevertheless it is my priority to point more paid traffic to my refban referral link than to the page where my refban
space lies.. I hope I'm not misunderstood.. :)

moneymarketing wrote on 5^th May, 2013 at 8:04pm:

I think the reason they required two sales is because they didn't want a situation where someone could find a friend and have them join and do what you say in order to cash out their commissions. That is just what I read into it. If this is the case then they are working hard to make sure they shut people out of the income stream. It is legalities like those that cause me to lose respect for affiliate sites. Marketers aren't stupid. They see when sites do things like that and it discourages participation. Making hoops to jump through is not a goodwill move. I would be happier if they made no hoops to jump through and lower commissions than what they are doing but then it would be hard for them to bring in all the marketers wouldn't it? It is much easier for them to offer huge commissions and then take them all back with little tricks and legal loopholes hoping that no one will read the fine print OK! Rant for the day is done  :)

It's also a question of since we can't change it, we might as well make the most of it mentally as in "we can" or "we will succeed" vs a "we can't" or "we won't".
;)

Yes, I agree. I think if we can we should try to place the refban banner on top of the page, where it's visible and all. Otherwise, they may check the stats and see if there's too many placed at parts of the page where it's less visible, it could make them more stringent and we wouldn't want that.  ;)

(Thankfully, I'm finally back online through a stable connection.. :))

Another thing I forgot to mention about the "banner space" is that it's connected to our account and we all get different codes.
So each member needs to place his space on a separate page. However we can have a common splash page to refer people to refban. I've opened a new thread at the co-op section of the forum so we can discuss such an advertising plan there as this thread here is mostly about details on how the site works and discussion on them.

By the way, I've figured out another clue regarding refban..
As we already know, in order for someone to become active, he must fulfill one of these two requirements :

A) Display banners on his website AND refer another ACTIVE referral to refban.com.
B) Purchase banner advertising on refban.com

So if in a downline of let's say 10 people (A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J) everyone has already generated
and entered the banner space code on their sites, it only takes J to purchase advertising
and then everyone in the team becomes automatically active.. :)

J becomes active due to the second condition (purchasing)
I becomes active for displaying banners and having referred an ACTIVE member to the site (J).
H becomes active for displaying banners and having referred an ACTIVE member to the site (I).
G becomes active for the same reason... etc for everyone else up to A.

ACTIVE means that all members in the member's upline will get $0.02.

So just by this A will get 9 x $0.02 = $0.18
B will get 8 x $0.02 = $0.16
C will get 6 x $0.02 = $0.12..
...
H will get 2 x $0.02 = $0.04 and
I will get 1 x $0.02 + commission from J's purchase..

RefBan is kinda down at the moment..  :-/


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Error connecting to the database (1040)

Can anyone else connect?

SolidSnake wrote on 10^th May, 2013 at 10:04pm:

RefBan is kinda down at the moment..  :-/ Can anyone else connect?

'up and reachable'

http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/refban.com.html

It was up about half an hour ago.. I was able to get to the advertise page.
We're now able to set up a banner ad campaign. Also they have a new site with the ad rules.

Thumbs down for this great rule that I read.. :
They do not allow flashing banners that may cause problems such as epilepsy to people!

I remember back in the days with PTCBox.. that flashing banner that "browser" was using..
Pennywise had told me he was having a hard time whenever that showed up..
It is very logical.. I don't have epilepsy myself but that banner really drove me nuts.. :(

However.. RefBan is back down now because of excessive load. It will probably cool down tomorrow.

Well, it goes up and down.. now it's up.. here is the advertise page :


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> Create New Advert   > Buy Impressions APPROVED - Your advert has been approved and you may create a campaign. PENDING - Admin still need to check your advert (please allow up to 24 hours). DECLINED - Your advert has been declined. Click here for more information.

And here are the reasons for getting declined :


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Banner declined... Your banner has most likely been declined because it has a banner image or web address that conflicts with our Terms and Conditions. Common reasons include... Banner image is missing or not working correctly Banner image does not match your website's content Banner image flashes in a way that may cause epilepsy  [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Web address was not working or displayed error messages Web address redirects to another website or page rotator Web address contains harmful code / malware / adware Important: If you believe your banner advert has been declined in error, please click 'Edit' and resubmit it for approval. Your advert will be rechecked by our staff within 24 hours. Adverts that are declined more than three times may be blacklisted. < Back to Advertise

Still the banner space is unable to load anything..
Maybe that's what's causing the excessive use trouble.

I'm starting to get a bad vibe about the site

My spidey sense is tingling(or maybe I should say my bat sense)

moneymarketing wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 5:15pm:

I'm starting to get a bad vibe about the site My spidey sense is tingling(or maybe I should say my bat sense)

Lol.. well, I believe it's just that something went wrong with the traffic they received these days.

Each banner space has to connect to their server to get banner data to display.. meaning that
if 30.000 members have put that banner space in their sites and they enabled the system, then
each time a visitor reaches one of these sites it causes a request for banner data to the refban
server. Which means..

If my site receives 1000 hits every day.. and this happens to every other such member (30.000),
then the server will have to serve 30.000 x 1000 = 30.000.000 requests per day..
Now think about what could happen when people advertise their sites on PTCs and get 1000s of hits simultaneously..

They most likely became overwhelmed by their own system.. :)
Let's hope they will use super fast dedicated servers now to be able to handle all this traffic.

moneymarketing wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 5:15pm:

I'm starting to get a bad vibe about the site My spidey sense is tingling(or maybe I should say my bat sense)

Does it do any good to say it? Keep in mind they're the same people running WordLinx and it has existed since 2003.

Well, my site is crawling with the ads being slow. I contacted them and they said it would be a week before they add new servers. They told me to take ads off the site until they upgrade. Wow, man they did not prepare for launch very good then. If my keeps crawling, then I will have to take off the ads. We will see.

They also said they would be adding different sizes of banners next week too. My actual blog sidebar can't the banners they currently offer. So ads are only on regular pages.

I say they haven't prepared for this, because look at facebook, but I know that facebook has been up for years, but even they were prepared for launch and had more than 30,000 unique visitors at launch.

MoneyMarketing.. sorry.. I don't trust your bat sense.. :P
Rogue has been very capable so far.. so I believe we shouldn't be so worried.
We should just let them do their thing.. So far I'm happy with their timeline. :)


utahman1971 wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Well, my site is crawling with the ads being slow. I contacted them and they said it would be a week before they add new servers. They told me to take ads off the site until they upgrade. Wow, man they did not prepare for launch very good then. If my keeps crawling, then I will have to take off the ads. We will see. They also said they would be adding different sizes of banners next week too. My actual blog sidebar can't the banners they currently offer. So ads are only on regular pages. I say they haven't prepared for this, because look at facebook, but I know that facebook has been up for years, but even they were prepared for launch and had more than 30,000 unique visitors at launch.

Sorry, I noticed your post only after I did mine.
That's some useful info, thank you for sharing it with us.
I was about to ask them about it too since it does cause our sites to load forever..

Traffic in such networks can be easily get out of control.
Let's hope their new servers will handle it well.

SolidSnake wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lol.. well, I believe it's just that something went wrong with the traffic they received these days. Each banner space has to connect to their server to get banner data to display.. meaning that if 30.000 members have put that banner space in their sites and they enabled the system, then each time a visitor reaches one of these sites it causes a request for banner data to the refban server. Which means.. If my site receives 1000 hits every day.. and this happens to every other such member (30.000), then the server will have to serve 30.000 x 1000 = 30.000.000 requests per day.. Now think about what could happen when people advertise their sites on PTCs and get 1000s of hits simultaneously.. They have most likely became overwhelmed by their own system.. :) Let's hope they will use super fast dedicated servers now to be able to handle all this traffic.

But that is my whole point. You would think they would have expected this and planned for it. There seems to be a lot of rookie mistakes going on here

utahman1971 wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 10:09pm:

Well, my site is crawling with the ads being slow. I contacted them and they said it would be a week before they add new servers. They told me to take ads off the site until they upgrade. Wow, man they did not prepare for launch very good then. If my keeps crawling, then I will have to take off the ads. We will see. They also said they would be adding different sizes of banners next week too. My actual blog sidebar can't the banners they currently offer. So ads are only on regular pages. I say they haven't prepared for this, because look at facebook, but I know that facebook has been up for years, but even they were prepared for launch and had more than 30,000 unique visitors at launch.

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Yes, good points. There is no way they should be adding anything if they are already behind. They should get their foundation stable and running right before they try to build anything on top of it

SolidSnake wrote on 11^th May, 2013 at 10:11pm:

MoneyMarketing.. sorry.. I don't trust your bat sense.. :P Rogue has been very capable so far.. so I believe we shouldn't be so worried. We should just let them do their thing.. So far I'm happy with their timeline. :) Sorry, I noticed your post only after I did mine. That's some useful info, thank you for sharing it with us. I was about to ask them about it too since it does cause our sites to load forever.. Traffic in such networks can be easily get out of control. Let's hope their new servers will handle it well.

Bat sense VINDICATED!  :P :P

;D 

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 1:16am:

[smiley=00-welcome.gif] Yes, good points. There is no way they should be adding anything if they are already behind. They should get their foundation stable and running right before they try to build anything on top of it

However you can never know how much traffic you're gonna need to serve before it actually happens..
So they could have got an unexpected overflow.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 1:30am:

However you can never know how much traffic you're gonna need to serve before it actually happens.. So they could have got an unexpected overflow.. :)

Yes, but my point is its better to have more than enough servers, than to not have enough. I notice a lot of sites do this now. They do site first answer questions later or fix it later. If it was me I would of budgeted more first, then not worry as much later. :)

Well, my site is loading fine now, and the ads are showing. So hopefully it won't bugger up again, before they put new servers up. :phew

utahman1971 wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 2:13am:

Well, my site is loading fine now, and the ads are showing. So hopefully it won't bugger up again, before they put new servers up. :phew

Nice! Mine too.
However maybe it's just a cool down for the servers so I'm not placing my ads yet.
I'll give their servers some time to stabilize with the traffic demand..

BTW, Michael, did you get my PM?
You receive alerts of new PMs when you login.. they show up right under "Good Morning [Your username]".
You can read them by clicking that link.

SolidSnake wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 2:33am:

Nice! Mine too. However maybe it's just a cool down for the servers so I'm not placing my ads yet. I'll give their servers some time to stabilize with the traffic demand.. BTW, Michael, did you get my PM? You receive alerts of new PMs when you login.. they show up right under "Good Morning [Your username]". You can read them by clicking that link.

Nope, just notice your post. I am looking at the PM's now. Thanks. ;)

First PM I already looked at.

I don't even have referrals under me on RefBan. :(

I am even afraid to put a forum on my site, because all I can do is free web hosting, and so far I found the best hosting for free, but worried that if I put a forum on my site like the other hosts would always have my site go down as soon as the forum was added. So I will wait a while see how my site does on this web host, then put up a forum.

utahman1971 wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 2:36am:

Nope, just notice your post. I am looking at the PM's now. Thanks. ;) First PM I already looked at. I don't even have referrals under me on RefBan. :( I am even afraid to put a forum on my site, because all I can do is free web hosting, and so far I found the best hosting for free, but worried that if I put a forum on my site like the other hosts would always have my site go down as soon as the forum was added. So I will wait a while see how my site does on this web host, then put up a forum.

Oh, if only you had met us earlier.. here in X-PTCBox a couple of members joined RefBan as a team so everyone
got at least a referral.. I now have 32 refs in six levels. :-/

Mainly, cause there's a lot of team work going on here..  [smiley=together.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 1:18am:

Bat sense VINDICATED!  :P :P ;D

Sometime it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. That if you keep giving off negative vibes, not expecting to do well with something, you're less likely to do well with it.

dansbanners wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 5:32pm:

Sometime it becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. That if you keep giving off negative vibes, not expecting to do well with something, you're less likely to do well with it.

Usually it is bad planning  :)

I have joined and seen dozens of programs fail. A program would have to get awfully creative to fail in a way that I haven't seen happen in my time in internet marketing. I'm not saying this one will fail. It should have the experience and resources to succeed but then again, that is what we thought about PTCBox.

To blame a my bad 'attitude' as opposed to incompetent/corrupt admins is a huge stretch though. 90% of the time the admin sets himself up to fail when they fail. Other times, the opportunity is not worth the risk of investment. Yes, I am the once burned, twice shy type of person but that has saved me hundreds(maybe thousands) of dollars in  losses over the years  [smiley=sad.gif]

I am just tired of throwing my money away on pie in the sky promises from admins. I've seen it happen way too many times

moneymarketing wrote on 12^th May, 2013 at 6:07pm:

Usually it is bad planning  :) I have joined and seen dozens of programs fail. A program would have to get awfully creative to fail in a way that I haven't seen happen in my time in internet marketing. I'm not saying this one will fail. It should have the experience and resources to succeed but then again, that is what we thought about PTCBox. To blame a my bad 'attitude' as opposed to incompetent/corrupt admins is a huge stretch though. 90% of the time the admin sets himself up to fail when they fail. Other times, the opportunity is not worth the risk of investment. Yes, I am the once burned, twice shy type of person but that has saved me hundreds(maybe thousands) of dollars in  losses over the years  [smiley=sad.gif] I am just tired of throwing my money away on pie in the sky promises from admins. I've seen it happen way too many times

Unfortunately it's a fact that most PTC owners are bad at planning and executing.. :(
But there are so many factors out of the admin's power that play a huge part to every failure.
However I also believe most disasters can be prevented with good planning and also backup planning.. just in case..

I noticed something annoying about the refban ads. They show, but it goes blank for couple of seconds and page goes up and down. If you are reading something that gets really annoying. Wouldn't you think?

[edit]Edit By SolidSnake:

Off topic comment moved here.
Please don't mix subjects.   [smiley=z01-thanx.gif][/edit]

Keep in mind all you have to do is add a banner to your page and earn $0.05 daily from it.

That's $0.05 x 365 = $18.25 in one year

Or you could even purchase the cheapest advertising, 50,000 impressions for $15 and then earn the following:

$0.10 x 365 = $36.50 in one year

dansbanners wrote on 13^th May, 2013 at 4:07pm:

Keep in mind all you have to do is add a banner to your page and earn $0.05 daily from it. That's $0.05 x 365 = $18.25 in one year Or you could even purchase the cheapest advertising, 50,000 impressions for $15 and then earn the following: $0.10 x 365 = $36.50 in one year

Those are really low numbers to me. :(

[edit]Forgot to mention that the ads are down again. Every time they are having issues my impressions I lose some, and when the ads are working again I get the impressions back again. I hope they upgrade soon.[/edit]

[edit]Just as I typed that last edit, the ads are working.  [smiley=z03-lol.gif][/edit]

utahman1971 wrote on 13^th May, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Those are really low numbers to me. :(

Well, as dansbanners would probably say, the main idea of earning online is to have multiple streams that will earn you a small amount each, but when all of them are put together it gets big enough. :)

utahman1971 wrote on 13^th May, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Those are really low numbers to me. :(

You missed the point. All you have to do is add a banner to your page. And it takes 5 mins to do so. If you're going to have a page or already have one anyway, might as well add a little more income to it just by placing a banner on it.

Ok, when the member purchase some advertising, the member could then cash out at $50 and after 2 sales right?

dansbanners wrote on 13^th May, 2013 at 9:57pm:

Ok, when the member purchase some advertising, the member could then cash out at $50 and after 2 sales right?

Yep, that is correct.

Does the 2 sales have to be from 2 different advertisers or it can be from the same advertiser?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 14^th May, 2013 at 2:31am:

Does the 2 sales have to be from 2 different advertisers or it can be from the same advertiser? Thanks!

[smiley=z05-yes.gif] They need to be 2 sales from 2 different advertisers in our 1st Tier.

Quote from their T.o.S. :


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These are as follows: Members must earn $100.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 5 separate advertisers. Advertisers must earn $50.00 USD and refer individual advertising purchases from 2 separate advertisers.

Even if you just have banners on the site no matter how many banners on each page with one banner on a page, you still get $18 for a year. That is almost living on the street low.

Your got pure luck sitting on your site if someone actually clicks the banners. So if you, lets say you have 1000 daily unique visitors, and only one clicks the banner, and does not purchase anything. That is almost what is it worth even having on the site when you are like poor people already think its pocket change.

So basically to get you $100 limit to take is about 5+ years wait. Unless like I said lucky in that time to get visitors to click and purchase within that time. Same goes for advertising, which is only double, and its still pocket change if no one clicks or purchases on those adverts, but making money on people that purchase your ad.

Referrals help only a tad, which is still only pocket change. You have to be just as much luck with them going through the same thing as you. So either you have to have a 30,000+ daily unique visitors to do good or you won't get squat.

I do have multiple company ads on site, but only way to get more is the visitors, and it takes serious time and patience to get any where. Referral that I get is only from my site, because no matter if I use twitter, no one cares.

People says twitter is one of the best sources for referrals. I disagree.

It's $50 if you're an advertiser. And one reason why we started the downline builder is so we could try to do some teamwork. For instance, if needed the referral could purchase some advertising so their sponsor could then cash out and even possibly reimburse the referral for their purchase that is if they agree to that arrangement to begin with.

Hey guys, we have an update on the RefBan project. I contacted their support to ask about this :

Question :

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Hello, my account is upgraded to advertiser. I have a Tier 1 active referral. I have no Tier 2 active referrals. So, my Tier 1 referral must have purchased advertising in order to become active (since he has not referred another active member to the site) but I have received no commission for that sale. Please investigate my case and let me know what happened. Thanks in advance!

Their reply :

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Hi SolidSnake, Thanks for your message. According to your stats, you have one referral that has shown banners and referred another user. We've recently started relaxing the criteria to just a user, not an active user, so it's most likely that. In future, shortly after the server move, the active criteria will be... a) Has referred other active users OR b) Has shown banners OR c) Has advertised Regards, Richard Sturdy. Referral Banners. http://refban.com

So, the $0.02/$0.01 bonus per active referral will be easier to achieve from now on.

SolidSnake wrote on 20^th May, 2013 at 7:09pm:

Hey guys, we have an update on the RefBan project. I contacted their support to ask about this : Question : Their reply : So, the $0.02/$0.01 bonus per active referral will be easier to achieve from now on.

That is cool. I still wish I had referrals, but no matter what I do, I get none. :(

I am taking RefBan off my site. They keep making my site load very slow and not showing. Exact same thing that I posted when I joined this forum about them is going on still. I moved back to Adhitz. At least they keep their ads reliable.

I will wait until RefBan matures their ads, then try them again.

[edit]How can I get referrals to RefBan if they don't keep their ads showing? I tried social networks. I tried referral link. Referrals are not that easy to get, and since that Aditz don't do referrals. It won't make any difference.[/edit]

utahman1971 wrote on 29^th May, 2013 at 9:31pm:

I am taking RefBan off my site. They keep making my site load very slow and not showing. Exact same thing that I posted when I joined this forum about them is going on still. I moved back to Adhitz. At least they keep their ads reliable. I will wait until RefBan matures their ads, then try them again.

I'd say they work fine for me now.. They lagged throughout the day but I think it's because they've been doing stuff on their code again. I've been monitoring it and it's been working fine during the previous days. I display their ads on 2 or 3 of my sites now. Etc. my home page [url=www.ptcbox.me[/url]]www.ptcbox.me[/url]


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[edit]How can I get referrals to RefBan if they don't keep their ads showing? I tried social networks. I tried referral link. Referrals are not that easy to get, and since that Aditz don't do referrals. It won't make any difference.[/edit]

I've got 20 direct referrals, though most of them during the final days before launch and unfortunately they're mostly inactive.
Now it's kinda matured at the places I usually promote but I'm currently promoting other programs as well so I paused it for a while to see how the rest of the team does. I still haven't used my 50.000 impressions I've got when I purchased my pack to become advertiser.

I put them back on, but since I am not making any money as of yet. I can't pay for advertising. I have to worry more about getting traffic to site first with targeted traffic, then I have to save the money for the hosting and getting domain transferred, because I can have the domain free with the plan I am using, if I keep using it. So traffic is my main worry now.

utahman1971 wrote on 14^th Jun, 2013 at 3:31am:

I put them back on, but since I am not making any money as of yet. I can't pay for advertising. I have to worry more about getting traffic to site first with targeted traffic, then I have to save the money for the hosting and getting domain transferred, because I can have the domain free with the plan I am using, if I keep using it. So traffic is my main worry now.

Well, my guide on free traffic might actually prove useful to you..
Since your site has a lot of content and you update it often google could really help you with targeted traffic.
And also since your site is not about making money online, you could always have a sub-domain or a dedicated section
there about it.. something like a sponsors section where you could put articles on "make money online" sites etc.

By the way, are you a member in other PTCs?

I need some new for advertising purposes so if you can help, please suggest any at this thread.

Is it $0.05 per day per domain? In another word, could you have the refban banner in two different domains and earn $0.05 each, earning $0.10 daily from it?

I'm afraid not. It's just $0.05 ($0.10 for advertisers) per account. It doesn't matter if you display banners on 1 website or 10 different websites. Anyway, otherwise it wouldn't be stable and would kill the site.

SolidSnake wrote on 21^st Jun, 2013 at 9:54am:

I'm afraid not. It's just $0.05 ($0.10 for advertisers) per account. It doesn't matter if you display banners on 1 website or 10 different websites. Anyway, otherwise it wouldn't be stable and would kill the site.

Is that just an assumption? Have you tried it? Don't forget per domain is not the same as per page. I could see needing to draw the line somewhere with per page. But I don't see why one can't be added to each domain?

It really looks like more sites don't earn more. At least directly.
In the guide page:

"Even if you don't have many visitors, you'll still earn the base rate for every day that you display banners. If you generate more genuine impressions with a busier site, or multiple sites, you'll refer more members and will earn more. This makes our system fair for everyone."

So the benefit of having multiple sites with banners is only to refer more members.

dansbanners wrote on 21^st Jun, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Is that just an assumption? Have you tried it?

No it's not.. and actually yes I've tested it, I'm displaying my banner space on more than 1 different sites of mine but the rate is still the same.
That's why I offered to host a banner for someone else on one of my sites if they don't have one themselves..
so that they get a fair chance too. Etc, I host ruicarlov's banners on a blog of mine.

@ruicarlov - By the way, how many impressions have your received so far there? Check the publish page on refban and let me know.

[edit]Note: I'll be kind of away for the weekend so I won't be as active as normal. But I'll get online at least once per day.[/edit]

I now currently have 3 active members in my downline.

dansbanners wrote on 29^th Jun, 2013 at 2:43pm:

I now currently have 3 active members in my downline.

Yep, and here's a complete overview on our RefBan downline :

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2339/m85.png

It has been pretty easy for me to get refs for refban but the overall activity of them is pretty low.
However it has cost me close to nothing (~$5) to get them so it's still fine..

It's now 4 active referrals for me.

Does it have to be 2 sales within a time span? Like within a year or something? Or it could be anytime?

If you have advertiser status then you probably need to accomplish 2 sales before it expires.. otherwise you'll have to make 5 as a standard member...

Ok, how long does the advertiser status last?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 9^th Jul, 2013 at 5:03pm:

Ok, how long does the advertiser status last? Thanks!

My best guess is one year... but... it's also written here... :P

I already made 2 sales. The only thing is, I am yet to become an Advertiser there. :D (Courtesy: PayPal)

Did everyone see their new "Major code update! New features soon!" e-mail?


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We now have new 'Convert' and 'Settings' sections in development. By using 'Convert' you'll be able to exchange money earned into impressions and advertise your banners for free!

Yeah. I've seen that.

I checked their 'Convert' option too. But, unfortunately it doesn't give us 'Advertiser' status. :(

Yes, I've noticed that as well... :


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Convert cash to impressions... You must have earned at least $5.00 not including your sign-up bonus before you can convert. Available balance: Coming soon! Important: Converting cash to impressions will not give you advertiser status. You must buy banner impressions (available from just $15!) to gain those benefits.

It's proper because it affects stability of the site. You need to get money in to get money out..
That's why the minimum sales requirement is present too..

@Venkat - Please remind me of the India-PayPal problem once more..
You are able to have a PayPal account but you can't fund it using Indian banks?
However you can get paid to PayPal by sites right?

As for those that are in advertiser's status, does the banner have to be in .gif, .jpg or .png format?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 13^th Jul, 2013 at 9:22pm:

As for those that are in advertiser's status, does the banner have to be in .gif, .jpg or .png format? Thanks!

When uploading it to their server it has to meet these criteria :

Format : .jpg / .gif / .png
Maximum Size : 100kb

When just linking to it, they don't give a maximum size so there's probably no limit there.. only the dimensions (468x60)

So I guess they're all the same for either publishers or advertisers.

SolidSnake wrote on 13^th Jul, 2013 at 8:27pm:

@Venkat - Please remind me of the India-PayPal problem once more.. You are able to have a PayPal account but you can't fund it using Indian banks? However you can get paid to PayPal by sites right?

Indians are able to receive funds to Paypal accounts, only if they have linked a valid bank account with the paypal account. However, funding paypal account from our bank is not possible as per our Banks' policy.

Indians can spend via paypal, only if they have linked a valid credit card to the paypal account. The spending will be charged on our Credit Cards only, even if we have funds in our paypal account. (The funds in Paypal will be automatically transferred to our banks. We cannot even hold it.)

venkat wrote on 14^th Jul, 2013 at 9:55am:

Indians are able to receive funds to Paypal accounts, only if they have linked a valid bank account with the paypal account. However, funding paypal account from our bank is not possible as per our Banks' policy. Indians can spend via paypal, only if they have linked a valid credit card to the paypal account. The spending will be charged on our Credit Cards only, even if we have funds in our paypal account. (The funds in Paypal will be automatically transferred to our banks. We cannot even hold it.)

Oh I see.. I hope I won't ask you the same thing again. :)
So you can only pay through credit cards using PayPal..
So, no tax-free or generally fee-free rides for you there.. :(

Is anyone's earnings at RefBan growing? I see my earnings has stalled for the past 3 or 4 days. I really don't know how do they track the impressions.

Now that you talk about it, it seems my earnings have been a t 15.76$ for a while now.  It also seems that the number of impressions of my banner has stalled.

I've just checked and today I received the $0.10 daily amount.. yesterday it was $18.32 to day it is $18.42..
so I guess I'm ok. I haven't been tracking it the previous days though.. I trust them enough to leave it to them.. :)

Today I had +$.10 than yesterday. So it's also working for me. I've also got some more impressions on the banner.

I received an email from refban today about their new offer.. it was about time for them to do some promo..


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Starting on Thursday August 1st, they're having a 50% extra sale! Get up to half a million banner impressions for free! Want more? If you contact RefBan directly they'll extend the offer to orders of ten million impressions and beyond! Just click 'Contact' at the base of the site! The sale ends on August 7th, so don't miss out! It's a great opportunity to try out their system if you haven't already. Although, the offer applies to all users so you can take advantage even if you've bought before.

Hopefully this will help with everyone's sales..
Also there's this in the same email.. :


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Important Dates: August 4th to 6th - WordLinx Server Move August 1st to 7th - RefBan Summer Sale October 6th - WordLinx's 10th Birthday

Well, these affect wordlinx mostly but still it shows us that the rogue group is still active after all these years and still doing improvements.

Is their "0.05 cents a day" still effective in the program?

dansbanners wrote on 1^st Aug, 2013 at 4:24pm:

Is their "0.05 cents a day" still effective in the program?

Yes, I'm still receiving $0.10 daily.

Still quite hard getting a sale, though. $.10 is not much good if we can't cashout.

SolidSnake wrote on 1^st Aug, 2013 at 6:20pm:

Yes, I'm still receiving $0.10 daily.

For some reason, it hasn't been incrementing for me lately even though their banner is still in my page.

Yeah, I too have the same problem. I have around 20 or 30 visits too, but my earnings is not going up.

Did they change the rule that it'll only increment if you meet a certain criteria or something?

May be.

Most of my traffic comes from TEs & PTCs, may be that's the reason. (They may not count framed windows. That's what I thought.)

Ok, I sent them a message, asking them about it. I'll let you know when I hear from them.

Ok, this is what they said:


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You must receive views on your banner from real visitors every day in order to earn. According to our database, your banner has not received many views. Perhaps try promoting your website more.

dansbanners wrote on 7^th Aug, 2013 at 2:24pm:

Ok, this is what they said:

So now they have floating standards and will pay what they feel are the right amount of visitors  >:(

This is bad planning. If they don't want to pay for inactive or low activity sites they should say so up front. They should really be paying for impressions and clicks. It is the industry standard and thus they won't need to make judgment calls

Today I saw a message saying 'Current rate for displaying banners $0.07' and I got 7 cents added today. I don't understand it, but I'm happy. :D

It's incrementing for me again! :)

Still no change for me. I'm getting 10 cents/day tracked since 19th of July.. A few posts below I stated that I had $18.42.
Today I have 20.54 which equals to 21 x $0.10 + $0.02 (bonus from a new active referral).
21 means days.. 9 days from August and 12 days from July that has 31 days so it leads back to 19th of July.
So not a single day was missed. Now if they have a rule about daily impressions that kinda improves the stability
of their site.. it's not any good to pay $0.10 / day to members that place their banner space code in sites that get
close to zero visitors per day.. it makes no sense..

SolidSnake wrote on 9^th Aug, 2013 at 7:12pm:

Still no change for me. I'm getting 10 cents/day tracked since 19th of July.. A few posts below I stated that I had $18.42. Today I have 20.54 which equals to 21 x $0.10 + $0.02 (bonus from a new active referral). 21 means days.. 9 days from August and 12 days from July that has 31 days so it leads back to 19th of July. So not a single day was missed. Now if they have a rule about daily impressions that kinda improves the stability of their site.. it's not any good to pay $0.10 / day to members that place their banner space code in sites that get close to zero visitors per day.. it makes no sense..

You're not exactly getting tons of visitors to your forum SS. Just saying. ;)

I think 10 cents is the maximum earning per day. Being an advertiser, SS might receive the maximum 10 cents, I think.

Me too, not getting tons of visitors. I just got 15 to 20 visitors daily for the past 3 days and today is my third day earning me 7 cents.

Instead of directly promoting my blog on TE & PTC, I just displayed a banner and whenever someone clicks on it, it is counted as 'real visitor' I guess.

I think this is to good to be true?

cashin wrote on 15^th Aug, 2013 at 11:57am:

I think this is to good to be true?

Why do you think that? You still need sales in order to cash out.

dansbanners wrote on 15^th Aug, 2013 at 4:03pm:

Why do you think that? You still need sales in order to cash out.

Yep that's true.. if you don't generate actual sales then there's no loss for the site.
And if you do so then still the site earns enough with your sales. They are not 100%
stable but they can still deliver effective advertising and pay their members.

SolidSnake wrote on 16^th Aug, 2013 at 12:54pm:

Yep that's true.. if you don't generate actual sales then there's no loss for the site. And if you do so then still the site earns enough with your sales. They are not 100% stable but they can still deliver effective advertising and pay their members.

The point is I was wondering why that member said "too good to be true" perhaps maybe not realizing that you also had to have sales in order to cash out.

They are improving.

I got email from Referral Banners today saying:

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Referral Banners has only been online for a few months, but we've already proved that our rent/refer model works. Thanks to users like you, we're now displaying millions of impressions every week! Unfortunately, we recently lost our lead programmer which caused all development to grind to a halt. Ever since then we've been looking for replacements and we're very pleased to announce we now have an entirely new coding team! Impression delivery problems have been fixed, Settings will be ready Monday 9th and the Convert page soon after. Not only that, but we're also simplifying the whole system to make it much easier to earn! We currently pay you to refer other active users on ten levels, but only ONCE per active referral. We're changing this so you'll get paid for referral activity DAILY! The new system will pay you for EVERY DAY that you show banners and for EVERY DAY that your direct referrals show banners. You'll also earn up to $57.00 USD per sale when they advertise! There's a lot of work required, so to fund it we're giving you an incredible deal. Referrals will soon be available to rent monthly, but if you buy in the first month you can keep them for a whole year! That's right! 12 times the income for a 12th of the price! The earning potential is massive! Check out the example below... Example Advertiser Income: $0.10 for displaying banners daily - $36.50 per year 100 referrals display banners daily - $730.00 per year 1 referral advertises monthly - $684.00 per year Total earned per year - $1450.50 USD Referral Rental Packages: 20 referrals for a year (+ 10,000 impressions) - $20 - no saving 50 referrals for a year (+ 25,000 impressions) - $40 - save $10 100 referrals for a year (+ 50,000 impressions) - $70 - save $30 Referrals will be available to rent from Monday 16th September. Limited amount available - don't miss out! Thanks for reading. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us.

Hmm, interesting. Going the rented referral route, but with banners?
That's innovation right there. Will it work well? Only time will tell.

ruicarlov wrote on 9^th Sep, 2013 at 12:38pm:

Hmm, interesting. Going the rented referral route, but with banners? That's innovation right there. Will it work well? Only time will tell.

As I'm not a rentals fan I'm not too interested in renting but since it's for a whole year and
the amount includes advertising as well it gets interesting..

100 referrals display banners daily - $730.00 per year equals to :
$2 / day by 100 active referrals which equals to :
$0.02/day per active referral

I guess that's for advertisers though, standards would probably get $0.01 / day per active referral.
Well, now I feel even more inspired to promote them but also wonder how stable will their model be after this change..
Isn't this a bit too brave of a move?

Another update.. new email from admin :

Fantastic news! Thanks to users renting referrals, we now have enough money to develop the new system! We've given ourselves until the end of next month, but it might be ready much sooner!

When work is complete our referrals will only be available to rent monthly, but if you buy now you can keep them for a whole year! That's 12 times the income for a 12th of the price!

Haven't been able to rent yet? Don't worry! Referrals are still available in limited amounts daily. We post on Facebook, Twitter and Google+ whenever they're on sale - links on our site.



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How will the new system work? We're making things much more simple, allowing you to earn much more, much easier. We currently pay for referring active users on ten levels, but only once per active referral. We're changing this and paying for referral activity daily. You'll get paid for every day that you show banners and for every day that your direct referrals show banners. On top of this, you'll still earn up to 30% per sale when your direct referrals advertise. To find out more, simply visit our site and click 'News' at the bottom of any page. There you can also find details about RefBan's history and how to promote our program for free. If you aren't doing so already, now is the perfect time to start displaying our banners. Just log in and click 'Publish > Generate Code', select your settings, then copy and paste the code onto your pages. That's it! Now just sit back and generate real cash for yourself and for your referrer, even while you sleep! You can display our banners on blogs, websites and more, so start publishing and start earning today! Thanks for reading. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us.

I still feel they offer a bit too much but anyways.. let's see if the system is gonna be ready by the end of 2013.. [smiley=lolx.gif]

Do they show you how much you're earning specifically from the rented referrals in the stats?

Not yet, since the rented referral system isn't fully working yet. It just shows the stats along with the direct referrals

I am starting to wonder whether we earn anything from the referrals for their banners showing. (My referral earnings don't go up, unless a new referral signs up. Even for the new referral, it just increases one time.)

venkat wrote on 17^th Oct, 2013 at 1:30pm:

I am starting to wonder whether we earn anything from the referrals for their banners showing. (My referral earnings don't go up, unless a new referral signs up. Even for the new referral, it just increases one time.)

Is this something new they just implemented? Perhaps give it some time?

Actually it's still in testing phase they haven't implemented it yet.
And considering their previous history of launching dates I do not expect it to happen within 2013..
I might be a bit harsh there though.. Let's hope I'll be proven wrong.. :)

Do you still have to make 2 or 5 sales in order to cash out? Even when you're earning impressions from your rented referrals and all?

dansbanners wrote on 22^nd Oct, 2013 at 3:28pm:

Do you still have to make 2 or 5 sales in order to cash out? Even when you're earning impressions from your rented referrals and all?

Yes, that is correct!
I'm close to $30 now so once I reach $40+, I'll run some kind of promo to get those 2 sales..

Don't you have one already? From your 'elite' downline (that's us here from the forum :P)

ruicarlov wrote on 22^nd Oct, 2013 at 4:37pm:

Don't you have one already? From your 'elite' downline (that's us here from the forum :P)

Well, not everyone is determined to work on it so nope still no sales. But I'm optimist about getting them.
I think I'll just ask my most loyal advertisers once I'm ready. I could offer them two free banner orders
to cover their expenses. However there's always the issue that they might have already joined the program..
but I'll figure it out.. The Ads page sales are going great lately, so I'm full of confidence..  [smiley=selfconf.gif]

SolidSnake wrote on 22^nd Oct, 2013 at 9:22pm:

Well, not everyone is determined to work on it so nope still no sales. But I'm optimist about getting them. I think I'll just ask my most loyal advertisers once I'm ready. I could offer them two free banner orders to cover their expenses. However there's always the issue that they might have already joined the program.. but I'll figure it out.. The Ads page sales are going great lately, so I'm full of confidence..  [smiley=selfconf.gif]

I've actually been thinking of buying an ad pack myself  (I even have something I honestly want to advertise in there) just to see if I would cash in on all those members under me, so I am one of those advertisers that is about to jump on board

moneymarketing wrote on 22^nd Oct, 2013 at 10:27pm:

I've actually been thinking of buying an ad pack myself  (I even have something I honestly want to advertise in there) just to see if I would cash in on all those members under me, so I am one of those advertisers that is about to jump on board

However you're 2 tiers below me so your purchase won't count for me.. :P
But it will count for Dan so at least he'll get a sale and will be one step closer to being able to cashing out.

Just read their new announcement through email..


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When the new referral earnings system is ready, we'll be paying out much more (visit our site and click on 'News' for details). Due to this, we're also changing how advertiser benefits work. Currently if you buy advertising, we include a free bonus that allows you to earn double: $0.10 per day for displaying banners, $0.02 per active referral and 30% affiliate commissions. Soon this will change, so if you buy advertising you will only get impressions. The ability to earn more will be available via a new Pro upgrade. It will cost $89 per year, or $59 per year as a one time offer. As well as double earnings, Pro will come with features like improved targeting and better stats, plus 100,000 banner impressions worth $27. Best of all, you'll earn 30% for every referral that upgrades! What you need to do... If you have already purchased advertising, you will automatically receive Pro benefits (excluding impressions). However, you can 'top up' your account to add more years by buying more advertising. We include 365 days of benefits with every purchase. If you haven't bought yet, you can take advantage of unlimited years of advertiser/Pro benefits from just $15 per package! That's a massive saving, and you can buy as many as you like! Just visit our site and click 'Buy' on the front page, then select a package and pay. Repeat the process for more years of double earnings. These changes will be introduced in November, so don't miss out! Not displaying banners? To earn from the new system, you (or your referrals) must display banners. Log in now and click 'Publish > Generate Code', select your settings, then copy and paste the code onto your pages. If you don't have a website or blog yet, there are some great guides online to help you get started. Just search 'how to start a blog' for links.

Looks like the best time to get upgraded through advertising would be now.
Otherwise it will be very expensive after they implement the new system.

Good thing is that we can purchase separate packs and the upgraded years get added up.

SolidSnake wrote on 23^rd Oct, 2013 at 11:09am:

Just read their new announcement through email.. Looks like the best time to get upgraded through advertising would be now. Otherwise it will be very expensive after they implement the new system. Good thing is that we can purchase separate packs and the upgraded years get added up.

OK, I had to jump on this. 50K banners. Will be trying MFS in there.

I may buy 50K more this week if the offer is still there. This was just too good to pass up.

I also emailed them and suggested they create a banner exchanger like the one in buckets of banners in order to extend market reach. Maybe they will do that  :)

Is it just me or have they raised the daily earning rates?
Here's what I see now :


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Current daily rate for displaying banners$0.11 Current rate per active referral (ten levels)$0.03

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* This rate will increase with the more active referrals you have.

You can see the above note on the pop-up that appears when you go to 'Referrals/stats' page.

venkat wrote on 28^th Oct, 2013 at 5:14am:

You can see the above note on the pop-up that appears when you go to 'Referrals/stats' page.

They had that there since the beginning but I guess I didn't understand what they meant.. :)
Currently I have 1 active ref via banner and 38 active refs via ref link.. not sure what that means as well though.. lol

Can you navigate to their 'Referrals/Stats' page? All other pages are opening for me, but this 'Stats' is not opening. (I'm getting a '502 Bad Gateway' error.)

venkat wrote on 1^st Nov, 2013 at 4:35pm:

Can you navigate to their 'Referrals/Stats' page? All other pages are opening for me, but this 'Stats' is not opening. (I'm getting a '502 Bad Gateway' error.)

Yes I can.. and they were updated twice today.. I noticed another active ref just now (checked again a couple of hours ago).
However the rent page shows this :


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Rent referrals... Referral rental is currently offline. It will return in December.

Just yesterday I purchased another $15 / 50.000 impressions pack to extend my upgrade for another year
since as they say it won't be possible to do so after the upcoming changes.

So now the 10 level downline is gone?  >:(

I wonder how much money that is saving them due to the stackers and downline builders like us?

I think I just got scammed out of 15 bucks for that banner upgrade. I believe that is the last $15 I spend there

New massively terrible update from refban..


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lowing feedback gathered over the last few months, it became clear that our system was too complicated. We've now removed the ten level downline and the old earnings algorithm to make things much easier to understand. You'll now get paid up to $0.10 daily to show banners and up to $0.02 per referral daily when they show banners. Plus up to 30% when your referrals purchase advertising. It's that simple! Example Advertiser/Pro Income: $0.10 for displaying banners daily - $36.50 per year 100 referrals display banners daily - $730.00 per year 1 referral advertises monthly - $684.00 per year Total earned per year - $1450.50 USD We'll soon be updating the 'Referrals / Stats' page to reflect your new earnings, so please be patient while we put everything in place. As we've removed the ten level downline, please make sure that you're using the latest versions of our banners ('Guide > Promotional Resources'). New Pro upgrades! Along with a new earnings system, this month we're also introducing a new upgrade system. In a few weeks, to earn double (like advertisers currently do) you'll need to upgrade for $89 per year, or $59 per year as a one time offer. If you have already purchased advertising, you are unaffected by this. If you haven't bought yet, you need to do so now, as you can currently get Advertiser/Pro benefits from just $15 per year! A massive saving! Just visit our site and click 'Buy' on the front page, then select a package and pay. Repeat the process for more years of double earnings! Not displaying banners? To earn with RefBan, you (or your referrals) must display banners. Log in now and click 'Publish > Generate Code', select your settings, then copy and paste the code onto your pages. If you don't have a website or blog yet, there are some great guides online to help you get started. Just search 'how to start a blog' for links. Thanks for reading. If you have any questions or suggestions, please feel free to contact us.

Ok, now that was a real back stabbing move from rogue group..
Are they serious? At least when you mess up be honest..don't point the finger to us..
They removed the 10 levels of downline because it made the system complicated?  [smiley=07-whaat.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 2:14am:

So now the 10 level downline is gone?  >:( I wonder how much money that is saving them due to the stackers and downline builders like us? I think I just got scammed out of 15 bucks for that banner upgrade. I believe that is the last $15 I spend there

You got me by seconds..
Should we "explain" our feelings to them through a support ticket requesting a refund?

[edit]Subject is to be continued in a new thread as the latest update severely changes their business model.
So the discussion will be continued here. Feel free to participate. Thanks![/edit]

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 2:18am:

You got me by seconds.. Should we "explain" our feelings to them through a support ticket requesting a refund?

You can if you want. I doubt they'll listen.

Just when I was starting to warm up to this company again they pull a stunt like this

SolidSnake wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 2:15am:

New massively terrible update from refban.. Ok, now that was a real back stabbing move from rogue group.. Are they serious? At least when you mess up be honest..don't point the finger to us.. They removed the 10 levels of downline because it made the system complicated?  [smiley=07-whaat.gif]

i can just imagine the emails:

Please take away these awful ten extra levels of earnings for me. I am much better off earning on fewer levels. This is way too confusing for me as it stands. How does getting paid on ten levels work?

::)

[smiley=lolx.gif]

:censored Grrrr... I had 7000+ referrals through 10 levels. I was thinking about buying advertising. (I would have done it very earlier, unless my Paypal limited me from spending.)

venkat wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 5:53am:

:censored Grrrr... I had 7000+ referrals through 10 levels. I was thinking about buying advertising. (I would have done it very earlier, unless my Paypal limited me from spending.)

WHOA! I feel for you buddy!  [smiley=sad.gif]

This is outrageous. And sites wonder why the majority of people don't 'invest' in them when they do stuff like this

Sorry to hear about it. I learned from experience that it's tough to do well with a program whereas when it comes down to it, you'll only benefit when your referral makes a purchase. IMHO.      

Even before these changes, I decided I was going to get my space worth more with BoB, earning impressions with each page view as opposed to Refban, whereas you only get to benefit specifically if they click on the banner, then join and then make a purchase, etc.

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 4:02pm:

Sorry to hear about it. I learned from experience that it's tough to do well with a program whereas when it comes down to it, you'll only benefit when your referral makes a purchase. IMHO.

And now, the only people that the program considers valuable are advertisers and publishers. Those of us who go out and find affiliates are cast aside yet that is about 90% of the people in internet marketing. How many people publish webpages? Not a lot

I'm late to the party. Looks like is was a blast  [smiley=sad.gif]
I'm not TOO badly affected since I haven't that big of a downline in the lower levels (100-something). I can only imagine the guys above me...

....7000.... woot.

moneymarketing wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 6:15pm:

And now, the only people that the program considers valuable are advertisers and publishers. Those of us who go out and find affiliates are cast aside yet that is about 90% of the people in internet marketing. How many people publish webpages? Not a lot

It becomes like a paid membership only program and we know from experience they're harder to succeed.

I also wasn't sold on having the refban banner in my site. Cause it did seem at times affected the page loading and all.

I noticed another thing recently.

I am not getting the 5 cents that I used to earn for displaying banners. My blog is getting around 10 visitors everyday as usual.

What I guess is, they've set a minimum number of display for crediting the 5 / 10 cents. (Or may be it's relaxed for advertisers.)

[edit]Adding fuel to the fire:
I just noticed that I have 9500+ referrals as of today. But, what's the use?[/edit]

dansbanners wrote on 2^nd Nov, 2013 at 6:06pm:

Even before these changes, I decided I was going to get my space worth more with BoB, earning impressions with each page view as opposed to Refban, whereas you only get to benefit specifically if they click on the banner, then join and then make a purchase, etc.

Actually you don't even benefit from clicks on the banner.. unless of course the ad displayed at that specific moment is yours.

SolidSnake wrote on 4^th Nov, 2013 at 1:54pm:

Actually you don't even benefit from clicks on the banner.. unless of course the ad displayed at that specific moment is yours.

Yes. In another word, what's good is the banner if one just looks at it and not click on it.

I'm also kinda thinking that if the people I work with (i.e. X-PTCBox forum members) are down on the program, who am I going to work with? Thus probably increasing my chance of putting this program on the wayside.

Since I'm still pro for more than a year, and I have rented referrals, I'm going to stick around to see how things develop.

dansbanners wrote on 4^th Nov, 2013 at 2:58pm:

I'm also kinda thinking that if the people I work with (i.e. X-PTCBox forum members) are down on the program, who am I going to work with? Thus probably increasing my chance of putting this program on the wayside.

Well, he pulled the old bait and switch with me so I'm stuck with my upgrade for a year also. I won't quit at this point. Maybe member backlash will be enough to change his mind.

I'm wondering if the complications he was talking about was how commissions are paid due to the rented referrals? Would that really be that difficult to program?