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Message started by SolidSnake on 28th Feb, 2013 at 2:42pm

Title: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Feb, 2013 at 2:42pm
Would anybody recommend this? I noticed it is currently at the top of EMS.. and was wondering if it's really that good.
What kind of ads, memberships, rates do they provide? Could anyone provide some more info please?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 3rd Mar, 2013 at 5:02pm
I'm currently on that program. While I have been a member for a while longer, I've mostly used it for advertising. It's only recently that I've tried being a full member and also recruiting referrals.
The pay rates per ad are quite small, but it has a big number of ads. It uses some concepts from Neobux and Clixsense, like for example earning a Twick point for every ad clicked (and in other stuff like referring), which can be exchanged for Cash or Membership upgrades. It also has a Grid game simillar to Clixgrid.
For earning through clicks, I think a membership is a must. Even if it's the Lv. 1 (cheapest one at $10/year). Sponsored ads are worth $0.001 for standard members, while Lv 1 and 2 get $0.005.
There's also a referral rental system, but I've never used it so I don't know that much about it. It works similarly to Neobux, with the recycling, discounts on renewing for 240 days, and so on.
An interesting feature that made me want to take it more seriously was the Twickerz Loyalty Rewards. If you're an advertiser, once you spend X$ in advertising and get a certain number of referrals, you get lifetime upgrades, which go up in Level each time you reach a new threshold. Since I'm an active advertiser there, I though I might as well make the best out of it, so I'm aiming for those.
On the advertising side, the results haven't been bad. Since the pay rates are low, so is the advertising price, so it's good for getting a lot of views (site has +300,000 members). There's also PTSU, which is like everywhere else - lots of cheaters and a good referral once in a while. But since the auto-approval period is long (25days) it's easy to avoid cheaters/people who give up.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 3rd Mar, 2013 at 7:18pm
Thanks a lot!
That was a pretty detailed description there.
However I managed to find ([smiley=selfconf.gif]) a couple more questions :

1. Do they have direct referral limits?
2. Do you need to click daily in order to get credited for your referral clicks?
3. Also, do you get credited for all of their clicks or just a few categories of them (etc. only fixed and extended ones) like  in neobux?
4. Could you please post a screenshot of their membership upgrades comparison table here?
5. Do they pay on time?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 3rd Mar, 2013 at 11:13pm
1. No
2. No, I don't think so.
3. You only get credited referral clicks for sponsored, regular and extended ad (like Neobux)
5. I haven't tried personally, but from some people I know, they do.

4.Forgot to mention you also get 10% purchase comissions from direct referrals and 1$ per referral upgrade (free members included)

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 4th Mar, 2013 at 11:45am
Many thanks for the info ruicarlov!
You're awesome!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

As for the program, please PM me your ref link, I might use it for advertising.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by dansbanners on 5th Mar, 2013 at 5:32pm
What are their upgraded memberships? Couldn't find the info from the main page?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 5th Mar, 2013 at 8:38pm

dansbanners wrote on 5th Mar, 2013 at 5:32pm:
What are their upgraded memberships? Couldn't find the info from the main page?

Thanks!


It's all in the table in ruicarlov's post above.
Please check if you're using adblocking software if it's not visible.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 3rd Jan, 2014 at 6:41pm
Funny thing. Today I just received an email saying I won a $2 prize in last month's Twickerz referral contest.
And I wasn't even spending anything on promoting it recently.

Not that I'm complaining  ;)

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 4th Jan, 2014 at 2:21pm

ruicarlov wrote on 3rd Jan, 2014 at 6:41pm:
Funny thing. Today I just received an email saying I won a $2 prize in last month's Twickerz referral contest.
And I wasn't even spending anything on promoting it recently.

Not that I'm complaining  ;)

Nice!

How many refs did you get during the contest?
Since it's kind of an old ptc maybe not many people are promoting it..
Bonuses are always welcome though.. :D

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 4th Jan, 2014 at 2:25pm
8 referrals I believe. Truth is, the TOP100 referrers were prized. The top ones had a lot but as you went down things were a lot quieter. If I had one referral less I wouldn't have made it.  ;D

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by moneymarketing on 4th Jan, 2014 at 2:50pm

ruicarlov wrote on 4th Jan, 2014 at 2:25pm:
8 referrals I believe. Truth is, the TOP100 referrers were prized. The top ones had a lot but as you went down things were a lot quieter. If I had one referral less I wouldn't have made it.  ;D


Yes, I love contests like that. That way, everyone gets involved, even the little guys because most of the time if you only give out five prizes or so, those get eaten up by the program owners and there is nothing left for anyone else. Sure, it serves the site's interest when they get a PO interested, but you are limiting your exposure to maybe one or two sites.

If you can throw out a lot of prizes then you are more assured of getting exposure in many more places

edit: After all, a referral contest is just a form of cheap advertising for the site (a way to pay for motivating the top advertisers and you get plenty for free too). Which would be more effective? Spending $250 on a month long referral contest or spending $250 at a Neobux or Clixsense. And as I said above, you would have much broader exposure that way

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 9th Jan, 2014 at 12:38pm
Twickerz had done quite a bit of restructuring in terms of click rates, memberships, sponsored ads...

Now there is required clicking to earn from referrals. Referral earning rates increased, but the number of sponsored ads decreased for lower memberships.
What I didn't like was that due to all the changes in the sponsored ads, I had to renew ALL my rented referrals, otherwise their clicks wouldn't be credited. Recycling is currently free, so I have no issues with that, but considering each referral page only shows 100 refs and I have 4300.... not to mention that reloading the page takes a butload of time when I renew all 100.
In the end it was close to the end of the day when I had everything recycled and my credited clicks for that day were crappy (still above BEP, though). On the bright side, due to all the recycling yesterday I had quite a good click average. With the new click rates I calculated the daily pure profit and..... $70?!!

$70?!
OMG, YOU'VE GOTTA BE SH*TTING ME!


Could you imagine the awesomeness of $70 daily profit? Over $2000 per month?
[smiley=07-whaat.gif]
Of course I don't expect to keep that average everyday but still.... awesomesauce.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 10th Jan, 2014 at 12:35am

ruicarlov wrote on 9th Jan, 2014 at 12:38pm:
Twickerz had done quite a bit of restructuring in terms of click rates, memberships, sponsored ads...

Now there is required clicking to earn from referrals. Referral earning rates increased, but the number of sponsored ads decreased for lower memberships.
What I didn't like was that due to all the changes in the sponsored ads, I had to renew ALL my rented referrals, otherwise their clicks wouldn't be credited. Recycling is currently free, so I have no issues with that, but considering each referral page only shows 100 refs and I have 4300.... not to mention that reloading the page takes a butload of time when I renew all 100.
In the end it was close to the end of the day when I had everything recycled and my credited clicks for that day were crappy (still above BEP, though). On the bright side, due to all the recycling yesterday I had quite a good click average. With the new click rates I calculated the daily pure profit and..... $70?!!

$70?!
OMG, YOU'VE GOTTA BE SH*TTING ME!


Could you imagine the awesomeness of $70 daily profit? Over $2000 per month?
[smiley=07-whaat.gif]
Of course I don't expect to keep that average everyday but still.... awesomesauce.

Well, I might have to reconsider my opinion about earning with this program.
So far I've only used it for advertising because it kinda seemed a low earner.
Now it seems more interesting..

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by Pennywise on 16th Jan, 2014 at 5:05pm
Personally i think its a great site.. Or atleast it was before YGP startet. I have had an upgrade and a few rented and im in profit.

Before you had to be level 2 to profit from rented referrals but i see they have changed that now so you earn $0.005 from all rented referrals clicks.. Or thats atleast how i undestand it.

And the BEP should be fairly easy to reach if i undestands this correct. I get it to 1.333 even for standart members (0.20/0.005/30) and that shouldent be to hard to reach with atleast 4 daily fixed ads.

Or am i wrong here..? Almost looking to easy right now to be honest.

Maybe its time to rent there again :)

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 16th Jan, 2014 at 5:51pm
Yeah, it's looking too easy. I'm not sure if I should be glad or suspicious. With those changes they increased advertising prices. Can they keep that up?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 29th Jan, 2014 at 4:29pm
Ever since those big changes at Twickerz I've been earning quite a lot. My averages seemed like a rollercoaster during some days, but they seem to be stabilizing now, with daily pure profits above $40, which is more than double of what I had previously.
For those wondering if the referrals are bots or not, lately it's been hard to even recycle referrals, since the demand is high and there's not enough to go around. I've often had a message saying "there are no referrals available" when trying to recycle.
If there's such a shortage then it means they're for real.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 29th Jan, 2014 at 10:04pm
Good job and also good to know about the refs! :)

In Greece nowadays it requires 2 stable offline jobs to collect that cash monthly (30 x $40 = $1200) even in euro..
I'd be more than satisfied to make that amount online even with all the programs I'm working on combined together.  :money

Even just reading that is really motivating Rui!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

(Looks like the PTCMan has psychic abilities too.. he can "plant" inspiration within us!)

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by moneymarketing on 30th Jan, 2014 at 1:11am

ruicarlov wrote on 29th Jan, 2014 at 4:29pm:
Ever since those big changes at Twickerz I've been earning quite a lot. My averages seemed like a rollercoaster during some days, but they seem to be stabilizing now, with daily pure profits above $40, which is more than double of what I had previously.
For those wondering if the referrals are bots or not, lately it's been hard to even recycle referrals, since the demand is high and there's not enough to go around. I've often had a message saying "there are no referrals available" when trying to recycle.
If there's such a shortage then it means they're for real.


I guess as long as they are turning a profit, it doesn't matter too much. WOW on the $40.  :o That is a very nice online income indeed. Especially since you've only been at this a few years. Many, many people would be satisfied with that level of income to supplement their lifestyle.

Maybe it's time you wrote an ebook (with all your referral links in it) in order to teach others your methods on what to do to become successful. If you sold the book for a few bucks, it would promote for you automatically. Plus you could build a huge mailing list with it

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 30th Jan, 2014 at 11:53am
An ebook stating the obvious, like rent referrals and upgrade at good sites? ::)
Because that's really where the most money comes from.
Sure I make a couple of extra bucks through sites where I managed to get some direct referrals (Cashnhits and Clixsense), but it's penauts compared to Neobux and Twickerz.

By that way, that referral shortage had started affecting my averages. I've been unable to recyle any refs for a couple of days now and it's showing.  :-[

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 30th Jan, 2014 at 6:21pm
OUCH! There must be one heck of a problem going around PTCevolution.

PTCSolution, Goldenclix and Twickerz are not crediting rented referrals clicks today.  :-/

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 4th Feb, 2014 at 5:57pm
Ever since the PTCevolution hack that the averages plummed down to almost 0. And stayed there for a good 3 days. I was a bit concerned for a while, but things seem to be slowly getting back into place. At least yesterday I didn't have any net loss.

But even with this obstacle I got $1127 of pure profit this month. Let's see how February fares.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by moneymarketing on 4th Feb, 2014 at 10:54pm

ruicarlov wrote on 4th Feb, 2014 at 5:57pm:
Ever since the PTCevolution hack that the averages plummed down to almost 0. And stayed there for a good 3 days. I was a bit concerned for a while, but things seem to be slowly getting back into place. At least yesterday I didn't have any net loss.

But even with this obstacle I got $1127 of pure profit this month. Let's see how February fares.


In the words of that famous philosopher, Jackie Gleason:

Oh how sweet it is!  :money  8-) [smiley=12-party.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 20th May, 2014 at 5:52pm
Looks like I haven't update in a while.
After February, things went downhill fast with RR activity on Twickerz. Some days had slight profits, others had losses. In the end, the removal of the free recycling feature managed to make things more stable. Apparently, members were abusing the system and make a mess of things.
Since then things have looked up a bit (but never the OMG! values of February) but the daily clicks I get still vary tremendously. A couple of days ago there was a set of terrible days resulting in -10$ daily, and now all of a sudden BAM back to $50-70 profits for 5 days straight. Not that I'm complaining about this latest streak, but it does make me go :dontknow

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 20th May, 2014 at 11:41pm
I've been researching a bit around the current PTCs and I honestly think the only site with earning potential as standard with rented referrals is twickerz.. it is one of the very few paying $0.005 per click from rented referral clicks and it only takes 10 days of activity (4 clicks / day) per referral to pay back your investment and without the need of upgrading early I'd say it is promising.

I haven't given that a shot yet, maybe after I settle down with my site's earnings-expenses on the positive side I'll probably try it.
The twickerz network has done surprisely well over the last few years and it might be worth a shot.. after all it takes only $30 to start off with the standard membership RR limit.. (150 refs).

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Jul, 2014 at 11:28am
Twickerz are are currently running this promo which seems a bit interesting in case someone wants to start working on the program :

Premium Special - $25.00

50 Rented Referrals
25000 Banner Ad Credits
Premium Membership

Gold Plus 90 Days Special - $70.00

Gold Plus 90 Days Membership
100 Rented Referrals
100000 Banner Ad Credits

Platinum Plus 90 Days - $250.00

Platinum Plus 90 Days Membership
150 Rented Referrals
1000000 Banner Ad Credits

I'm somewhat thinking about trying the second one..

Gold Plus offers the respectable earnings of $0.01 per referral click plus the pack includes 100, so some of those should be active.
Since they are almost free I would only keep the ones that are active after the first month. The membership lasts for one year so there is some potential.

Rui would you recommend that? Do you think it's worth it?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 28th Jul, 2014 at 12:00pm
Actually, the upgrade table seems a bit messed up at the moment, so I'm not completely sure what's in each upgrade. Let's see if they clean that up first.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Jul, 2014 at 12:37pm
Well, they are missing the higher ranks details but the ones included in this pack are there..:



Aren't they correct?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 28th Jul, 2014 at 2:13pm
It seems they're correct. The click values for higher memberships are the same as Premium Plus.

Regarding the promos, I think Gold Plus is a bad ideia if you intend to have only 100 referrals. The BEP is way too high, due to the cost of the membership (there's a bug in that table, Gold Plus 90 days only lasts for 90 days, not 365).

Even if it's not on a promo, getting Premium Plus + 100 referrals ($70) is a far better option. The click rates are the same, the difference lies in the max number of referrals. So, if you stick to 100, there's really no reason to go Gold.

By my calculations, the BEP at Gold Plus is 1.17, and the BEP for Premium Plus is 0.60.
That makes a world of difference, since the averages I see are usually 0.80-0.90 at 4000 referrals. It's possible to have something higher with less, but better play it safe.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Jul, 2014 at 5:27pm

ruicarlov wrote on 28th Jul, 2014 at 2:13pm:
It seems they're correct. The click values for higher memberships are the same as Premium Plus.

Regarding the promos, I think Gold Plus is a bad ideia if you intend to have only 100 referrals. The BEP is way too high, due to the cost of the membership (there's a bug in that table, Gold Plus 90 days only lasts for 90 days, not 365).

Even if it's not on a promo, getting Premium Plus + 100 referrals ($70) is a far better option. The click rates are the same, the difference lies in the max number of referrals. So, if you stick to 100, there's really no reason to go Gold.

By my calculations, the BEP at Gold Plus is 1.17, and the BEP for Premium Plus is 0.60.
That makes a world of difference, since the averages I see are usually 0.80-0.90 at 4000 referrals. It's possible to have something higher with less, but better play it safe.

Wow, is that possible?

Isn't the script supposed to automatically show the correct duration?
The values are stored in a database and loaded directly from it, so it is really weird if that is true..

But you're probably right the promo says 90 days..
So premium plus ($50) + 100 refs ($20) seem like a better deal indeed..
The barrier for the lowest renting price ($0.20) is 250 based on what I see..
Ok, but I'll probably leave that for later on.. I'd like to complete the upgrades on my site first.

Maybe if I get refunded by clixters I'll head towards twickerz to fill in the blank.. :)

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 12th Nov, 2014 at 5:40pm
I really hate to say this, but I'm losing my trust on Twickerz. Ever since mid-September I've having big losses every day, with no sign of looking up. A couple of days ago I posted in their forum, talking about my RR averages and asking how another Ultimate member had kept nice averages thoughout these last months, and my messages were deleted just a day or two after.
Today I tried to ask another participant in that disucssion what had happened to the suggestions he was giving me, and that message was ereased within hours.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 12th Nov, 2014 at 5:47pm

ruicarlov wrote on 12th Nov, 2014 at 5:40pm:
I really hate to say this, but I'm losing my trust on Twickerz. Ever since mid-September I've having big losses every day, with no sign of looking up. A couple of days ago I posted in their forum, talking about my RR averages and asking how another Ultimate member had kept nice averages thoughout these last months, and my messages were deleted just a day or two after.
Today I tried to ask another participant in that disucssion what had happened to the suggestions he was giving me, and that message was ereased within hours.

That's really sad.. and there's no PM option there..
Have you tried contacting admin directly?
Maybe it's the moderator going rogue against you..

But still you would like to contact the other member instead..
Could you find that member in another PTC site?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:05pm
Well, the member I asked about his strategy is kevinmuic, which is in plenty of PTC sites when I'm in, namely Neobux. The problem is that forum rules in most of those places don't allow requesting for personal communications or talking about other PTC sites.
The member who managed to answer me was a different one, called twixsticks, who's also in Clixsense. Once again, no PMs and forum rules make it hard to contact him about this.
Especially now that emoneyspace is down. I think those 2 had accounts there.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by dansbanners on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:19pm

ruicarlov wrote on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:05pm:
Well, the member I asked about his strategy is kevinmuic, which is in plenty of PTC sites when I'm in, namely Neobux. The problem is that forum rules in most of those places don't allow requesting for personal communications or talking about other PTC sites.

Sorry to hear of your dilemma. There were times I was wondering about that member kevinmuic. I've seen that username throughout the net and also noticed some of his impressive stats as well. By the way, he also happens to be a member of YGP. I've seen his screename over there in their forum.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by dansbanners on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:19pm

ruicarlov wrote on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:05pm:
Especially now that emoneyspace is down. I think those 2 had accounts there.

Since when? Will it be back up shortly or what? Hopefully it will.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:39pm
Yes, I also think I've talked to kevinmuic before.. that guy is everywhere..
A simple google search brings up pages of payment proofs.. :)

EMS is down?!?

[smiley=07-whaat.gif]

Do we know why?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 12th Nov, 2014 at 10:13pm

SolidSnake wrote on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:39pm:
EMS is down?!?

[smiley=07-whaat.gif]

Do we know why?


I googled it, but couldn't find the reason. Someone brought this up at the Clixsense forums, but the topic was locked since it was about another forum.

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by dansbanners on 17th Nov, 2014 at 4:31pm

SolidSnake wrote on 12th Nov, 2014 at 6:39pm:
EMS is down?!?

What's the update with earnmoneyspace?

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 15th Oct, 2015 at 5:28pm
It's been a long time since I made an uptade of this, so here goes:
After a period of absolutely dysmal referral clicks (AVG under 0.3 sometimes), averages became a bit more reasonable (0.6-0.7). Still, they made my ultimate account unsustainable, since my BEP was around 0.7.

So I made a serious downsizing. I'm not a humble Gold member with 1000 referrals, extended for 720 days (40%) discount. My BEP is now 0.487, thanks to the lower membership cost and also the lower RR rent price bracket.
This means that my acount is sustainable again and making me some profits.
The downside is my direct referral comissions are much lower, so I stoped many of my efforts to acquire direct refs.

Title: Re: Twickerz
Post by ruicarlov on 27th Nov, 2017 at 11:20am


Either you got yourself virtually cloned or you're in.  :)

Title: Re: Twickerz
Post by moneymarketing on 27th Nov, 2017 at 5:43pm

ruicarlov wrote on 27th Nov, 2017 at 11:20am:


Either you got yourself virtually cloned or you're in.  :)



Good stuff. Though I've been looking also at the mellow ads on the site, I'll probably try the banners too. I just wish most of them weren't placed at the bottom of the page by the half dozen thus burning up our views

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by SolidSnake on 28th Nov, 2017 at 12:33pm
I moved the posts here to keep the downline builder easy to follow.
Nonetheless, it's been a while since we posted in the Twickerz dedicated thread. :)

Title: Re: Twickerz
Post by dansbanners on 28th Nov, 2017 at 11:43pm

ruicarlov wrote on 27th Nov, 2017 at 11:20am:

Excuse me for getting sidetracked. But where is the post telling you a little more about the postimg graphic hosting tool? I can't find it? Thanks.

Title: Re: Twickerz
Post by SolidSnake on 30th Nov, 2017 at 12:24am

dansbanners wrote on 28th Nov, 2017 at 11:43pm:
Excuse me for getting sidetracked. But where is the post telling you a little more about the postimg graphic hosting tool? I can't find it? Thanks.

I'm not sure we have a postimg specific thread at all..

However if you're looking the thread where we talk about image hosting sites, it's here:
https://www.ptcbox.me/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469795768/24#24

Title: Re: Twickerz
Post by moneymarketing on 25th Jan, 2018 at 2:41pm

moneymarketing wrote on 27th Nov, 2017 at 5:43pm:
Good stuff. Though I've been looking also at the mellow ads on the site, I'll probably try the banners too. I just wish most of them weren't placed at the bottom of the page by the half dozen thus burning up our views


I just bought $30 of advertising there Rui so you might want to check your commissions

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 26th Jan, 2018 at 12:12pm
Thanks. 3$ for me.

I hope this one is for keeps.

I still haven't told you, but two weeks ago I got some BIG commisions in YGP. Like, 2000$ big. Supposedly all shares. But it seems it was a fraudulent transaction, so everything was reversed.  :'(

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by moneymarketing on 26th Jan, 2018 at 3:58pm

ruicarlov wrote on 26th Jan, 2018 at 12:12pm:
Thanks. 3$ for me.

I hope this one is for keeps.

I still haven't told you, but two weeks ago I got some BIG commisions in YGP. Like, 2000$ big. Supposedly all shares. But it seems it was a fraudulent transaction, so everything was reversed.  :'(


:o

WoW!

It would have only taken you two years to cash it out!  [smiley=lolx.gif]

Title: Re: Twickerz.com
Post by ruicarlov on 26th Jan, 2018 at 6:06pm
Two years? I can cashout $100 a day (well 80$ really, since 20% goes to purchase balance).

I was planning on coming here and saying "Didn't you wish you were my upline an receive a slice of this?"
Good thing I didn't.

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