Anybody know what Refban's payout is?   I'd think with them giving us $10 before launch, it would have to be pretty high.  Hits4Pay used to give new members $10, and they had a $25 payout.

[edit]By SolidSnake : I edited the title so that it includes everything we discuss in this topic.[/edit]

I'm still curious on how they will offer earnings. My best guess is that we will offer banner space in our sites, to refban and refban will offer banner advertising to its advertisers and will probably use that space. However when no advertisers come they will most likely just advertise refban in those spaces..

I don't know all the details but I kinda like it being a part of rogue.. just like Wordlinx.
They're stable enough and also effective when it comes to advertising.
So I'll definitely give them a chance.

Not sure about how they'll pay those $10 but if their system proves to be as effective as they say, lot's of advertisers will definitely pay them for their services..
I've never been willing enough to pay for banner advertising due to adblocking software used in almost any browser.. But testing will tell us.

The only banner advertising I enjoyed was MyBrowserCash where you don't pay for the impressions but the actual clicks on the banners and that was cool: Non-incentive click based banner advertising.

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Jan, 2013 at 12:19am:

I'm still curious on how they will offer earnings. My best guess is that we will offer banner space in our sites, to refban and refban will offer banner advertising to its advertisers and will probably use that space. However when no advertisers come they will most likely just advertise refban in those spaces.. I don't know all the details but I kinda like it being a part of rogue.. just like Wordlinx. They're stable enough and also effective when it comes to advertising. So I'll definitely give them a chance. Not sure about how they'll pay those $10 but if their system proves to be as effective as they say, lot's of advertisers will definitely pay them for their services.. I've never been willing enough to pay for banner advertising due to adblocking software used in almost any browser.. But testing will tell us. The only banner advertising I enjoyed was MyBrowserCash where you don't pay for the impressions but the actual clicks on the banners and that was cool: Non-incentive click based banner advertising.

Free Members: 5 cents per day when banners are added to your site
Pro Members: 10 cents per day

Not sure how may manner impressions you need daily.

mgbland79705 wrote on 15^th Jan, 2013 at 8:08pm:

Free Members: 5 cents per day when banners are added to your site Pro Members: 10 cents per day Not sure how may manner impressions you need daily.

Sorry mate, where exactly did you find that info?
If that's true it's interesting enough considering the referral possible profits.

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Jan, 2013 at 10:20pm:

Sorry mate, where exactly did you find that info? If that's true it's interesting enough considering the referral possible profits.

In an email from them.

RefBan Facts: #4.

This is quite possibly the biggest news we've sent out to date. We can now confirm the base rates for displaying banners and referring active users!

So, what's a base rate? It's the minimum guaranteed amount you'll be paid which will steadily increase with the more active level one referrals you have.


Members - $0.01 per active referral / $0.05 per day for displaying banners

Advertisers - $0.02 per active referral / $0.10 per day for displaying banners

Now it says free member cashout is $100, advertisers's cashout is $50.  More on website.

You're right! I hadn't read that.. :)

And by the way I've just read their latest email concerning cashouts.. :


Quote:

RefBan Facts: #5. As you may already know, members that refer advertisers to Referral Banners will earn 15% affiliate commissions of up to $28.50 per sale. Advertisers that refer other advertisers will earn 30% commissions of up to $57 per sale. Our cashout levels have been set with this in mind. We're now announcing that members will be able to cashout at $100 (just four referred sales!) and advertisers will be able to cashout at $50 (just one referred sale!). Of course, this doesn't include earnings from displaying banners or from referring free members on ten levels, which will help you to reach cashout even faster!

Do I understand that correctly?  Cashing out depends on the number of sales in your downline?

mgbland79705 wrote on 16^th Jan, 2013 at 1:17am:

Do I understand that correctly?  Cashing out depends on the number of sales in your downline?

Not really..

They mean that affiliates cashout at $100 -> 4 sales x $28.50.
while advertisers will cashout at $50 -> 1 sale x $57.

However these are the highest sales.. which are highly unlikely to happen.. :)
What I don't understand is what is the process that differentiates a member from an advertiser..
I guess advertisers will have to pay a special membership fee..

I hope you're right.  I think requiring sales in your downline would put a huge damper on future growth

No you can earn just from your referrals without sales.. but it will take a huge downline to reach the payouts..

This is why they state this.. :


Quote:

Of course, this doesn't include earnings from displaying banners or from referring free members on ten levels, which will help you to reach cashout even faster!

They never said that we are required to have sales in order to get paid.. that could never work..
They just said that they decided these cashout limits considering the sales posibilities instead of just referral activity..
This is why they're set so high.. but.. they're rogue.. who could say they're wrong..  ;D

SolidSnake wrote on 16^th Jan, 2013 at 6:14pm:

No you can earn just from your referrals without sales.. but it will take a huge downline to reach the payouts.. This is why they state this.. : They never said that we are required to have sales in order to get paid.. that could never work.. They just said that they decided these cashout limits considering the sales posibilities instead of just referral activity.. This is why they're set so high.. but.. they're rogue.. who could say they're wrong..  ;D

5-cents per Diem comes up to less than $10 a year.

mgbland79705 wrote on 16^th Jan, 2013 at 8:23pm:

5-cents per Diem comes up to less than $10 a year.

$0.05 x 30 x12 = $18..
Now if you multiply that with your refs number it gets fairly interesting..  ::)

[edit]Actually the above equation is wrong.
Based on the new details check the correct calculation below..[/edit]

Some more details on how RefBan works and pays off.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1199/refbandetails1.PNG

So, by purchasing banner advertising we are also promoted to Advertisers and earn double from everything for 365 days.
It's like a premium membership is included in the advertising price. And also the minimum becomes lower.

Something like a matrix hidden behind advertising so either way you don't lose on what you paid for.
Interesting.. also the 10 referral levels sound very cool too and if we keep in mind that it all comes from Wordlinx..
[smiley=thumbsup.gif] I'm in. :)

[edit]And here are some calculations.. :

Member : $0.01 x 30 x 12 = $3.6 / year per referral
Advertiser : $0.02 x 30 x 12 = $7.2 / year per referral

Example with 30 active refs : 30 x $0.01 = $0.30 per day -> $0.30 x 30 = $9 per month -> $9 x 12 = $108 per year.
Example with 100 active refs : 100 x $0.01 = $1 per day -> $1 x 30 = $30 per month -> $30 x 12 = $360 per year.

Well, it's not too great but it has a lot of potential..
These calculations do not include commissions from sales.[/edit]

What does the last line (Minimum commissions before payout) mean? Should we get advertisers as our referrals to cash out? What if all of them are just publishers? Confusing... :P

venkat wrote on 30^th Jan, 2013 at 6:41pm:

What does the last line (Minimum commissions before payout) mean? Should we get advertisers as our referrals to cash out? What if all of them are just publishers? Confusing... :P

Well I guess it means that we should have 2 sales through our referrals.. I'm not sure if that's correct though.
It's kinda discouraging but I would be glad to share that expense with my refs if it would be blocking my way to cashout..  [smiley=z03-lol.gif]

I guess more details will come soon to clear the view.. it's still in pre-launch after all.

Some more details by RefBan.. is it just me or it keeps getting more and more confusing?  :-/


Quote:

Advertise and earn double! Soon it will be your LAST CHANCE to earn double for displaying banners and referring others! How do you instantly earn double? Just advertise! Prices start at $15 for 50,000 high quality banner impressions! ALL packages come with a FREE bonus which includes... > Double from displaying banners - $0.10+ per day, guaranteed! > Double affiliate commissions - up to $57 for every sale! > Half the usual amount required to cashout! For more details, just login and click the link in the top right.  We'll soon be adding up commission totals, so don't miss out - buy now! Just pick ANY advertising package!

Did they start counting the impressions yet?

dansbanners wrote on 31^st Jan, 2013 at 11:09pm:

Did they start counting the impressions yet?

Nope, not yet. I think they want to sell a specific number of banner advertising packages before going live..
Also there's this in their email... :


Quote:

This is an important update for all users. We'll be migrating Referral Banners to a more stable hosting platform on 5th February 2013, ready for our launch in a few weeks. We expect some brief downtime on that day while we move the database, but the site should remain live. We'll be keeping everyone informed via updates on Facebook, Twitter and Google+ (links on our site).

However this statement is making me kinda anxious.. :


Quote:

Soon it will be your LAST CHANCE to earn double for displaying banners and referring others!

I think I'll ask them what that means and I'll let you know.
Actually I think I'll ask them a couple more questions..

[edit]I did ask 5 critical questions about the program that will most likely clear every confusion we have now
and hopefully I'll inform you all here, if they reply to me. Let's wait and see.[/edit]

Well, I'm kinda waiting till they start counting the impressions to ensure that the banner impressions doesn't get wasted.

Well they replied to me and 4 out of 5 points I asked are kinda clear now.. here is the whole conversation.

Question 1: Regarding the payout request, is it required for a member / advertiser to make both 5 /  2 sales and also collect $100 / $50 in their balance (accordingly)? Or they can cashout just by achieving only the first of the two goals etc. if an advertiser collects $50 without sales.. just by referral earnings will he be able to request a cashout?

Answer : Yes, those are the requirements that have to be met before a user can cashout.
Please login and click 'Referrals / Stats and scroll to the bottom of the page and you'll see a current total for both.

Conclusion : So yes we are required to both generate sales and collect the minimum amount to request a payout.

Question 2: From what I understand I have to make any banner advertising purchase to become an advertiser and I'm ok with that. However I read that advertisers get double earnings ($0.10 per day by displaying banners / $0.02 / active referral) than simple members of RefBan. Now in the last email I read this line :

"Soon it will be your LAST CHANCE to earn double for displaying banners and referring others!"

Could you please explain to me what exactly does this mean? Which exact feature will not be available anymore?

Answer : We'll soon be adding up all the affiliate commissions, so it will be your last chance to earn 30% instead of 15%.
If you advertise after we add them up, you'll only earn 15% for commissions to date and 30% for future commissions.

Conclusion : So from what I get is that the only difference in the commissions is that we
will only receive 15% commissions for the sales that were made before the official launch. So here is an example :

Let's say that I joined the program at 15th of January 2013 and started referring already.
And until today I'm considered a simple member instead of advertiser. But the program is still in prelaunch.
Now, if I have generated x sales so far that I'm standard I would normally get 15% commission for them.
But if I upgrade now while it's still pre-launch, when the program officially launches I will get 30% commission
for them at the launch date as if I was advertiser since the beginning. I'll let them know of this thought and
request them to ensure that I got it.

(to be continued)

Question 3: In your Guide about referring active members I read :

"The criteria for an active referral is a) if they have displayed banners on their pages and have referred another active member to Referral Banners or b) if they have purchased advertising."

So, to make things clear, I will not earn anything from each one of my referrals unless a) or b) requirement is fulfilled right? Etc. Will I not earn anything from my referral if he just displays refban banners on his website but does not refer anybody to the program?

Answer : Yes, as our name suggests, referrals must refer and display banners to be considered active.
Although they can override this by advertising.

Conclusion : This definitely doesn't sound good.. Our referrals will have to get referrals AND display banners to be considered active, OR they can make a purchase. Otherwise we won't earn anything from them.

Question 4: The $0.01 / $0.02 that members / advertisers earn by their active referrals are one-time earnings or daily? So in the first case the maximum I can earn from my referral's activity besides generating sales is $0.02 if I'm advertiser and only if they fulfil one of the two requirements discussed in my question 3? Please clarify this point.

Answer : Please login and click 'Guide > Increasing Earnings' for details.

Conclusion : I guess they wanna keep something hidden here? It was a simple question that was not answered. I'll make another try to see if they actually help us figure it out or not.

Question 5: The commissions I earn from sales are valid for my 1st level of referrals ONLY or do they include my referrals' sales to their own referrals?

Answer : Affiliate sales are level 1 only, like most other affiliate programs.

Conclusion : Well that's exactly as expected. It would be a scam indicator otherwise.. so it's fine like that.

When will they start counting the impressions?

And will they only count the impressions? Or will they also count hits to the referral url?

They will start counting only after the launch date which is not announced yet. They only said that it would be early 2013,
January or February if they don't make it within January. So we are probably very close now.

Refban will be something like adsense for banner advertising. We will most likely be given some javascript code to put in our sites,
and basically we will be offering banner space, while they will be providing the banners that will be shown there.

From what they say it doesn't matter if we do or don't get many impressions on the banners we display,  we just have to
have them them there. And also I don't think our self promotion banners count.. most likely we'll have no control at all over
what will be displayed in our banner space.. only the size and position of it, just like most current advertising networks.

And we have some new updates on the subject.. I believe it's fine now.

Question 1:
Let's say that I'm an advertiser and I refer a member that is considered active today (displays banners and refers 1 person to refban).
Ok, I earn $0.02 for his activity. But is this only for today? I mean, if tomorrow he keeps on displaying banners on his site normally,
will I be credited another $0.02 or not?

Answer : Yes, you would only earn the $0.02 once for that active referral.
However, the more active referrals you have on multiple levels, then you will earn up to (and above) $0.20 each time.

Conclusion : Sorry to say it, but this means that the basic income we get from our referrals is through sales only.

Question 2:
Let's say that I'm a standard member until today, but just yesterday I referred a member that made a purchase immediately (while I'm still standard member).
Tomorrow I decide to purchase advertising (considering that the chance is still there) and become an advertiser myself.
Once the referral commissions are added up to our balances, my ref's purchase from yesterday will give me 30% commission
instead of 15% that standard members will normally get. Am I wrong?

Answer : You're not wrong. If you are an advertiser at the time the commissions are added up you will earn 30%.
If you are a standard member when they're added up, you will earn 15%.

Conclusion : So, we're interested in purchasing fast only if our refs have already purchased advertising.
We need to do so before them. I think with a good co-op plan, this program could provide cheap banner advertising.

Does the banner have to be 468 x 60 size?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 8^th Feb, 2013 at 7:14pm:

Does the banner have to be 468 x 60 size? Thanks!

Quoting this from their FAQ page :


Quote:

At first we'll only be accepting 468 x 60 pixel banners, but we'll add more sizes as the network expands.

Always a pleasure Dan. :)

Please do let us know once they start counting the impressions by posting it in here. Ok?

Thanks!

dansbanners wrote on 11^th Feb, 2013 at 8:33pm:

Please do let us know once they start counting the impressions by posting it in here. Ok? Thanks!

Definitely, I'll also let you know if I purchase advertising there.. though I think I'll wait for the launch too.
If anyone does purchase anything also let us know, please.

Where did you get the "$50.00 / 2 sales" requirement for cashout? I see the "$100.00  /  5 sales" in their website. But where did you see ""$50.00 / 2 sales"?

Thanks!

"$50.00 / 2 sales" is the requirement for advertisers => members that have purchased at least a banner advertising package.
It's like a membership upgrade is included in the advertising packages and it lasts for one year after the last purchase if I'm not wrong.

Ok, but where within the website did you look up that info?

Cause it says the following in their "Cashout levels revealed!" news page:

"Our cashout levels have been set with this in mind. We're now announcing that members will be able to cashout at $100 (just four referred sales!) and advertisers will be able to cashout at $50 (just one referred sale!)."

Well, it is still displayed here.
But as we can see in the latest news page just yesterday they changed it up to

$100 / 4 sales (for Members)
$50 / 1 sale (for Advertisers)

I guess they just still haven't changed the compare page..

[edit]This is probably wrong.. they state 4 / 1 sales to reach the cashout amount..
they don't state how many sales are required before we can cashout..[/edit]

Alright, there it is. Now we're waiting for them to start counting the impressions! :)

I have another good question for you SS. Can you tell that you at least already have some referrals in your downline? Does it show in your stats?

I have 3 referrals but it doesn't show any details at all about them..
That kinda sucks.. as I can't check anyone's activity.
Even if somebody in my downline does upgrade I won't be able to see who that was..
(Wow.. I've just realized that there's no thumbs down smiley in our forum..)

I get the impression that members who haven't referred any advertiser, cannot get paid.

I don't mind that but it would be discouraging to many publishers.

Does it sound fair?

venkat wrote on 15^th Feb, 2013 at 6:55am:

I get the impression that members who haven't referred any advertiser, cannot get paid. I don't mind that but it would be discouraging to many publishers. Does it sound fair?

[smiley=z05-yes.gif], that is true.. sales = upgraded referrals..
I guess they wanted to attract only serious affiliate marketers.. and kinda avoid freebies..
Not sure if that's a good move but still "Rogue" are pretty famous to take such risks through innovations.

I mean.. etc. if neobux opened up a matrix site now, even though people know that usually matrix sites fail,
many would rush to join and invest in it just because neobux is still out there.. Wordlinx thought of that first.

Sometime one's got to also look at things from the program's perspective. That they also need to make it sustainable, etc.

Yeah, but I think setting a minimum payout of $10 or $20 would make them sustainable. People who bring traffic for a while and don't make it, won't be withdrawing. That would make it sustainable.

Personally, I will never hesitate to buy advertisement with Rogue group. I believe my referrals too won't. The only thing I'm afraid is, members shouldn't get a different picture as if it's a trap.

What I personally think is bad for the members/advertisers is the  4/1 sales required to cashout..
This way they force us to promote the program only for advertisers.. otherwise we won't be able to get paid.

It is somewhat sustainable this way though. Mainly because they don't pay unless they get paid.
And they will pay only if they get paid firstly. However here is some random calculation :

Let's say that a member buys the lower advertising package which is $15. Then he becomes advertiser for a year.
Then he refers a member that also does the same (pays $15) but fails to refer any advertiser. So the site gets $30.
Now the first member will be displaying banners for a year and as an dvertiser he'll get $0.10 per day for displaying banners.

In 360 days he'll have accumulated $36,00 plus 30% of his sale to his referral which is $15*0.3=$5 so $36 + $5 = $41 total earnings.
We already see that we won't be able to even cashout by just one advertiser in just a year. :)
Not even 2 advertisers.. It will take 3 referred advertisers to get there. So, here we go again...

Same story with a member that has referred 3 advertisers that do not successfully get to refer anyone.
In a year he'll have accumulated $36 + (3 x $5) = $51. The site will have already got 4 x $15 = $60.

[edit]Please check for the corrected results here.[/edit]

Wow.. that's actually perfectly sustainable and profitable..  [smiley=z03-lol.gif]
Let me know if I'm wrong.. :)

PS. By the way I did not include the one time $0.02 bonus for referring an advertiser..
I believe it would play a small part in the whole matter...

I really don't think it is good to discourage mere publishers. We need both the advertisers and publishers.

Insisting advertisers to publish is somewhat harmless, but insisting publishers to buy advertising may be harmful to the site.

EDIT: I just observed that they accept only Paypal. We Indians can't spend via paypal even if we are interested in buying impressions. It becomes meaningless whether I am interested or not, while I can't.

Obviously there are many people from my country who are good promoters. If they can't cashout, probably they stay away. Potential loss for Rogue Media.  :-?

SolidSnake wrote on 16^th Feb, 2013 at 1:07pm:

We already see that we won't be able to even cashout by just one advertiser in just a year. :) Not even 2 advertisers.. It will take 3 referred advertisers to get there. So, here we go again...

First, perhaps you meant "sales" not "advertisers"? There's a difference.

Even in that case, where did you get that info? Cause as discussed in the forum, it says the following in their Compare Page:

Members $100 / 5 sales

Advertisers $50 / 2 sales

And in their Cashout levels revealed page:

RefBan Facts: #5.

Our cashout levels have been set with this in mind. We're now announcing that members will be able to cashout at $100 (just four referred sales!) and advertisers will be able to cashout at $50 (just one referred sale!).

@venkat
Well they state the following in their news page :

Quote:

If PayPal doesn't support payments from your country, we're now also accepting other processors including Perfect Money. Just visit http://refban.com/contact.php and email us to order!

Not sure if that helps though..
We know that Payza is not an option too.. as they state here.

@dansbanners
Well, now that I re-read it I believe you're right. It's still not 100% clear though..
They don't say that 4/1 are the requirements for members/advertisers to cashout.. they only say that that's how many sales get you above the cashout amount $100/$50 accordingly.

About my calculations.. I made a mistake in the amount we earn from $15 sales. $15 x 0.3 = $4.5 (instead of $5 which I by mistake state there - I corrected the post).

ALso regarding the advertisers / sales, I connected the terms keeping in mind that if a referral of ours becomes an advertiser, that means one sale for us. However a referral can make more than one sales.. so we don't necessarily need more than 1 referred advertiser.

So, to sum it all up corrected.. :

Let's say that a member buys the lower advertising package which is $15. Then he becomes advertiser for a year.
Then immediately he refers a member that also does the same (pays $15) but fails to refer any advertiser. So the site gets $30.
Now the first member will be displaying banners for a year and as an dvertiser he'll get $0.10 per day for displaying banners.

In 360 days he'll have accumulated $36,00 plus 30% of his sale to his referral which is $15*0.3=$4.5 so $36 + $4.5 = $40.5 total earnings.

In order to reach the cashout he'll need at least *4 sales of the minimum $15 from his referred advertiser(s).
That equals to : $36 + (4 x $4.5) = $54 in a year.
And the site will have got : 5 x $15 = $75 during that year.

So, the advertiser's pure profit will be : $54 - $15 = $39
while the site's pure profit will be $75 - $54 = $21

*Small Note : 3 x $15 sales will only get us exactly the minimum cashout requirement if we calculate a year as 365 days :
$36.5 + (3 x $4.5) = $50 ... oh and let's add the "active referral" bonus that we'll get.. $0.02.. so we get $50.02 and that's above the minimum requirement.
Funny thing.. is that "the 'secret sauce' behind their payment algorithm" they were talking about?  [smiley=z03-lol.gif]

So, in that special case the advertiser's pure profit will be : $50.02 - $15 = $35.02
While the site's pure profit will be : (4 x $15) - $50.02 = $9.98

What is troubling me more is that even though they replied to me that $0.02 is a one time bonus, in the comparison page they are talking about a rate.. :


Quote:

However, with so many active referrals you could easily earn $0.20 for each one, giving a total of $1,953,125.00. Similarly, if you display banners as an advertiser, you'll earn a base rate of $0.10 per day, but with enough active referrals this will increase to (and beyond) $1.00 per day.

The meaning of this the way I read it is this :

The base rate is $0.05 for members and $0.10 for advertisers.
With each active referral it goes up by $0.01 and $0.02 accordingly.
So with 3 active referrals as advertisers we'll be getting $0.10 + (3 x $0.02) = $0.16 per day..
and that would blow the final equation in my previous post like this.. :
(365 x $0.16) + (3 x $4.5) = $58.4 + $13.5 = $71.9

Well that could be at no way sustainable in my opinion..

[edit]Site is launched so some details are now uncovered and this post is invalid.
The $0.02 bonus per ref is a one time commission.[/edit]

I didn't go deep into the calculations yet, but where is the info that says $0.02 per day from referrals. I thought it was one time bonus.

I interpret "base rate of $0.10 per day, but with enough active referrals this will increase to (and beyond) $1.00 per day" as 30% from the base rate of our referrals.This may be either $0.015 or $0.03.

My concern is this:

Quote:

Even if you don't have many visitors, you'll still earn the base rate for every day that you display banners. If you generate more genuine impressions with a busier site, or multiple sites, you'll refer more members and will earn more. This makes our system fair for everyone.

Without a CPM rate, I wonder how this can be sustainable? (Or is there any CPM rate for publisher and did I miss it? I saw CPM rate for advertisers, but I haven't found CPM rate for publishers.)

venkat wrote on 18^th Feb, 2013 at 6:05am:

I didn't go deep into the calculations yet, but where is the info that says $0.02 per day from referrals. I thought it was one time bonus. I interpret "base rate of $0.10 per day, but with enough active referrals this will increase to (and beyond) $1.00 per day" as 30% from the base rate of our referrals.This may be either $0.015 or $0.03. My concern is this: Without a CPM rate, I wonder how this can be sustainable? (Or is there any CPM rate for publisher and did I miss it? I saw CPM rate for advertisers, but I haven't found CPM rate for publishers.)

They state it here venkat. And they state "per day" very clearly.
It's fishy that even though I asked them twice about it they seemed to be avoiding the question and didn't give a clear answer :

(My 1st Attempt)

Quote:

Question : The $0.01 / $0.02 that members / advertisers earn by their active referrals are one-time earnings or daily? So in the first case the maximum I can earn from my referral's activity besides generating sales is $0.02 if I'm advertiser and only if they fulfil one of the two requirements discussed in my question 3? Please clarify this point. Answer : Please login and click 'Guide > Increasing Earnings' for details.

(My 2nd Attempt)

Quote:

Question : Let's say that I'm an advertiser and I refer a member that is considered active today (displays banners and refers 1 person to refban). Ok, I earn $0.02 for his activity. But is this only for today? I mean, if tomorrow he keeps on displaying banners on his site normally, will I be credited another $0.02 or not? Answer : Yes, you would only earn the $0.02 once for that active referral. However, the more active referrals you have on multiple levels, then you will earn up to (and above) $0.20 each time. (?!?!?)

[smiley=07-whaat.gif] both times my question was formed this way so it can be answered with a simple "Yes" or "No" but they bypassed it.
I think I'll research it a bit in their wordlinx forum to get more info on this point.. we can't be the only ones wondering..

As for the "daily impressions on your site not mattering" and that we'll get paid $0.10 / day regardless of the amount, it does seem very unsustainable. At least they should put some minimum impression limits..

Yet, I don't find the $0.02 per day. (The $0.02 per active referrals looks like a single line statement. And the phrase 'per day' is present in another single line statement.)

But I agree that it gives an impression that we earn $0.02 per active referral per day.

EDIT: On their compare page, it looks like the $0.02 is per day.

Hmm.. why do they make it so complicate?  [smiley=12-party.gif]

venkat wrote on 18^th Feb, 2013 at 1:41pm:

Hmm.. why do they make it so complicate?  [smiley=12-party.gif]

Exactly what I also don't understand!  [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Btw, something [smiley=04-offtopic.gif].. when you edit a post of yours you don't need to type EDIT yourself.
Just mark your new content and click the edit button : http://www.ptcbox.me/yabbfiles/Templates/Forum/default/edit.gif

[edit]It will cause your new text to appear like this.[/edit]

I've just visited RefBan and noticed this.. :


Quote:

Site migration currently in progress. Please allow 24 hours for DNS to update.

So it looks like it's finally happening.. :)

Site migration is complete.. but no launch yet.
However regarding users from India and PayPal I just noticed this on their F.A.Q. :


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Q. How can I pay / get paid via Payza? A. We're based in the UK and unfortunately Payza no longer support UK-based users, so we can't accept or send payments via that processor. We'll be adding other processors like Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money and Neteller for non-PayPal countries after launch.

So it seems that there will be a couple of alternatives for you.

Yes. I noticed that too.

Since they said they cannot accept payments, I wonder what will happen to my yearly subscription that I made via Payza for upgrading at Wordlinx. I'll have to wait until June 2013.

venkat wrote on 22^nd Feb, 2013 at 6:15am:

Yes. I noticed that too. Since they said they cannot accept payments, I wonder what will happen to my yearly subscription that I made via Payza for upgrading at Wordlinx. I'll have to wait until June 2013.

I believe you would have to cancel it one day before it expires just to avoid any trouble..
By the way I still don't get it.. After all these years what problem does PayPal have against India to keep on blocking them?

It is our Reserve Bank of India, who control the transactions of money in India, that insisted Paypal not to allow money transfers between Indians and not to allow Indians to spend via Paypal.

By the way, WordLinx have mentioned to contact them before cancelling the subscriptions. Otherwise we may lose our account. (I did it once with Paypal previously and got suspended. Later the WM resumed my account on explanation.)

venkat wrote on 22^nd Feb, 2013 at 5:11pm:

It is our Reserve Bank of India, who control the transactions of money in India, that insisted Paypal not to allow money transfers between Indians and not to allow Indians to spend via Paypal.

Well, I now know why.. weird though that they allow other payment processors while blocking the bigger one.. most of ebay is unusable this way..


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By the way, WordLinx have mentioned to contact them before cancelling the subscriptions. Otherwise we may lose our account. (I did it once with Paypal previously and got suspended. Later the WM resumed my account on explanation.)

I see.. but shouldn't the subscription be automatically cancelled if their Payza account is no longer active?
Anyways, I hope they find some way for you to keep you business there.

Paypal is the only processor that has tie-up with Indian Banks. Others just send money by wire. That's the reason.

I'm sure that our authorities don't even know that many other payment processors exist.

With this background, even if payza ties up with Banks, again Indians won't be allowed to spend or transfer.

Small update :

I went ahead and purchased 50.000 banner impressions and I'm now considered an advertiser there.
My Referral / Stats page now looks like this :

Current daily rate for displaying banners	$0.10
Current rate per active referral (ten levels)	$0.02
Remaining before cashout	$50.00  /  2 sales

You remember when I came up with that idea at PTCBox where we could all join and then focus our advertising on one referral link. As we built an active team for that member, then we would all move up the chain and do the same thing for the members above until we all focused on building active teams for everyone. Refban is actually a concept that could accommodate that idea. With ten levels we could all focus on building a team for the lowest member and then when that gets going we could help the members above compounding our cash flow as we go  [smiley=12-party.gif]

moneymarketing wrote on 5^th Mar, 2013 at 7:04pm:

You remember when I came up with that idea at PTCBox where we could all join and then focus our advertising on one referral link. As we built an active team for that member, then we would all move up the chain and do the same thing for the members above until we all focused on building active teams for everyone. Refban is actually a concept that could accommodate that idea. With ten levels we could all focus on building a team for the lowest member and then when that gets going we could help the members above compounding our cash flow as we go  [smiley=12-party.gif]

Yep, it's possible with refban if it's as profitable as they've promised.
However we'd better wait until they launch. :)

Here's the downline if you'd like to join: :)

http://www.ptcbox.me/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1362324607

dansbanners wrote on 6^th Mar, 2013 at 7:21pm:

Here's the downline if you'd like to join: :) http://www.ptcbox.me/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1362324607

He's already in that downline, isn't he? ;D
But for everyone else who's up for it.. yep..that's the link.  ::)

I'd like so ask something, since I'm in everyone's downline here. :P I've also bought impressions there. Did you notice any alteration on you referral page. I mean, does it show up like 1 active referral or x earned from a sale? Or does it simply show "Pending"?

SolidSnake wrote on 6^th Mar, 2013 at 8:16pm:

He's already in that downline, isn't he? ;D But for everyone else who's up for it.. yep..that's the link.  ::)

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. It could be anyone reading the posts that might be interested.

ruicarlov wrote on 6^th Mar, 2013 at 11:45pm:

I'd like so ask something, since I'm in everyone's downline here. :P I've also bought impressions there. Did you notice any alteration on you referral page. I mean, does it show up like 1 active referral or x earned from a sale? Or does it simply show "Pending"?

I believe they still haven't completed that migration phase, so stats don't show up yet.
I still see only the number of referrals in each tier. It says "(coming soon)" in those fields.

@dansbanners - Sorry if that sounded ugly, I was just joking around.. That's why I state the "for everyone else..." line.. :)

SolidSnake wrote on 7^th Mar, 2013 at 2:40am:

@dansbanners - Sorry if that sounded ugly, I was just joking around.. That's why I state the "for everyone else..." line.. :)

It's okay. Sometime it's just a question of concentrating on the positives and building on the momentum.

Whoa! I currently have 12 referrals in my downline, down 5 levels.

dansbanners wrote on 18^th Mar, 2013 at 10:28pm:

Whoa! I currently have 12 referrals in my downline, down 5 levels.

That's great as I can also see it! ruicarlov and StillSleeping are strong referrers too.
I now have 16 in total (6 tiers) including yours and 3 more alongside you in tier 1.

Btw..  [smiley=sorry.gif] I moved your post here so that we keep te discussion going..
That's to keep the downline builder clean from discussions so that new members can easily see who they are joining under.

I got few referrals, but without buying advertising myself, I don't know what I'm going to get. (Paypal is really making it harder.)

SolidSnake wrote on 19^th Mar, 2013 at 1:59am:

That's great as I can also see it! ruicarlov and StillSleeping are strong referrers too. I now have 16 in total (6 tiers) including yours and 3 more alongside you in tier 1. Btw..  [smiley=sorry.gif] I moved your post here so that we keep te discussion going.. That's to keep the downline builder clean from discussions so that new members can easily see who they are joining under.

WOW! This really shows what the power of teamwork can do. Maybe we should all get together and jump into on of those 2x2 matrix sites. We would make a lot of money I think  :D

And finally we have a long desired update .. :


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Welcome to Referral Banners! Referral Banners is currently in pre-launch. The system goes live on Monday, April 29th 2013.

Crossing fingers...  :-?

Alright, hopefully....

I currently have 16 referrals in my downline! :)

Did you guys get this email?


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Referral Banners launches on April 29th and we'll soon be adding up your commission totals. This is now your LAST CHANCE to earn double from your referrals' advertising purchases. If you still have a regular member account, you will only earn 15% - a maximum of $28.50 per sale. Becoming an advertiser allows you to earn DOUBLE from your referrals. That's a massive 30% - up to $57.00 for every sale! Purchasing advertising also allows you to earn DOUBLE when you display banners on your sites. Instead of just $0.05+ USD, your earnings will start at a guaranteed $0.10+ USD daily - increasing with more active referrals! Of course, you also get our unique banner impressions too! Unlike other networks, we rent space on members' pages, so there's no incentive to artificially inflate clicks or views. This allows us to deliver much higher quality advertising for much lower prices. Packages start at just $15 for 50,000 impressions. Please login for further details.

does this mean we won't be able to get that rate when they go live? I'm not seeing anything on the site that indicates this. My other guess is they are just writing it this way to stimulate sales

Re reading it maybe it means this is your last chance before the initial commission totals are added up

moneymarketing wrote on 16^th Apr, 2013 at 7:36am:

Did you guys get this email? does this mean we won't be able to get that rate when they go live? I'm not seeing anything on the site that indicates this. My other guess is they are just writing it this way to stimulate sales Re reading it maybe it means this is your last chance before the initial commission totals are added up

According to what they've told us so far, the banner impression rates won't change.

The only thing that's affected by purchasing advertising in the pre-launch period is that you will get "advertiser" status
earnings for all sales up to that date, including those ones that were done before you purchased your advertising package.

Otherwise you'll get 15% for those sales (just like normal members will) but of course you'll have the chance to become
"advertiser" after the launch to get double from upcoming sales after your status gets upgraded.

So, if you know that members in your Tier 1 downline have already upgraded then it would be wise for you to upgrade too.
Otherwise it doesn't matter much. The daily earning rates is still not clear and from my point of view they wanna keep it
unclear until the launch, maybe they're still testing it for stability issues.

I'm just waiting for them to start counting the impressions. Maybe they'll do so on April 29th.

Be on the lookout to see if they'll start counting the impressions tomorrow.

Loaded and ready.. :)
Tomorrow is the big day.

[edit]Still no change.. I hope they'll keep their word..  :-/[/edit]

Did you check your stats today SolidSnake?

dansbanners wrote on 29^th Apr, 2013 at 5:15pm:

Did you check your stats today SolidSnake?

Yes, I did.. and still no change. 25 refs, you and 5 more along my Tier 1 and the rest are common with you.  [smiley=together.gif]

Site is still in pre-launch period. It's still 4 pm in UK though.. let's hope they'll get it launched throughout the day.  :-/

Since pre-launch period is now over.. this discussion will be discussed in this new thread.