So, let's start building on the ashes of PTCBox.. it was real and it was great.. and it was really great.. but we somehow have to live without it now so... now that PTCBox is gone, what PT programs do you use for your online income?

Personally I've been sticking to CashClixs by StillSleeping, Clixsense, CashInOnBanners and I'm already creating an online multiplayer game that I'm gonna promote using affiliate marketing methods. Eventually it should all work.. :)

Also a lot of work has been put in this forum too..  :P

I'm not doing much these days  got really fed up after ptcbox then MBC screwed me big time  lost a lot there! B4B also lost PP but they are trying to recover *hoping for best  expecting worst*  lost $100.00 there only program I'm really active in now is clixsense.  I've lost faith in ptc at the moment

When PTCBox died I finally took the plunge into Neobux. That was a big mistake. I was drawn into their rented referral program and golden upgrades.

Since then I have been breaking even in it trying to push my RR's further down the time track. Fortunately I was able to recruit a hundred plus direct referrals so they are helping me to keep my RRs but I am definitely not pleased with the program.

Their advertising is OK but since the demise of PTCBox it seems everyone wants to use NB for their advertising so they are becoming quite saturated. Another frustrating thing is that they limit the amount of direct referrals you can have. This has got to be the most counter intuitive thing I have ever seen. I could probably deliver 50 referrals per month to their site but I can't because they limit me unless I spend hundreds of dollars in upgrades  :-?

We definitely need some more programs to open up that we can promote. CS and NB are pretty much the big two and it is hard to go with anything else at this point

I did take a look at BuxP but it has a porn element to it so there is no promoting it at Clixsense. It does look like a decent advertising venue though since they have a huge member base

The other site I have been exploring is Hits4pay. They deliver a decent amount of clicks per day and all of them so far have been 2 cent offers. I haven't tried to promote them yet, that is the next project

For a site like neobux and the money they take in, direct referral limits for members is kindy redicules. But when you have a new site like I have, that will be low on advertiser for the first couple years, a few huge advertiser can make a site go bankrupt quick.

Still_Sleeping wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 2:03am:

For a site like neobux and the money they take in, direct referral limits for members is kindy redicules. But when you have a new site like I have, that will be low on advertiser for the first couple years, a few huge advertiser can make a site go bankrupt quick.

you don't lose money on the advertising do you?  :-?

It is possible with elite ads.. etc.

2500 elite 30 second ads that cost $30 on CashClixs would equal to $0.012 cost per click.
Now elite members get $0.03 for clicking those links so in the long run it is possible..
However.. I think it's way to expensive for me to pay that much for that package.. :)
..and also elite members have to pay $270 per year at the cheapest case..

By the way maybe the elite ads should be 60 seconds to be worth such a cost..

Yes it is kindy high, but it is set to be sustainable (on the low safe side) for the long run. I also kindy planed on most elite ads being sponsored by me once we get more advertisers (4-5 mabye).  If i can afford to lower the price later on, I will. The prices are set for the site too last, not disappear after to many member's upgrade and there downline's gets too huge, which results in more money going out then there taking in. Also, I do plan on extending the timers, it will come at the same time the cheat link gets introduce. 

@moneymarketing

Yes, with sponsored ads, I'm losing every penny!

Still_Sleeping wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 3:23am:

Yes it is kindy high, but it is set to be sustainable (on the low safe side) for the long run. I also kindy planed on most elite ads being sponsored by me once we get more advertisers (4-5 mabye).  If i can afford to lower the price later on, I will. The prices are set for the site too last, not disappear after to many member's upgrade and there downline's gets too huge, which results in more money going out then there taking in. Also, I do plan on extending the timers, it will come at the same time the cheat link gets introduce.  @moneymarketing Yes, with sponsored ads, I'm losing every penny!

Hmmm, that is interesting. I guess you make it up on site banner ads etc. or will when the traffic gets high enough

Yes, what profit i lose on ptc clicks due to referrals and upgraded clicks, I make up on the non-paying banner ads.. etc. The traffic and the member base has to get high enough before we even start receving advertiser (which comes with time and steady payments). I started the site Knowing that I would be losing money the whole first year. If I stay in profit thats great, but i'm prepared for the many months of pretty much all sponsored ads with no advertisers. Right now I'm in profit, if i don't count my buxhost subscription cost. (which will be extended to 5 years next week.)

@ SolidSnake
What kind of online multiplayer game are you creating?

Still_Sleeping wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 4:50pm:

@ SolidSnake What kind of online multiplayer game are you creating?

Well, nothing incredible, but simple and cool.
Something like a card game based on a very generic "Hacking Simulation" idea..

Each player has 5 offensive and 5 defensive programs (cards with specific level and attibutes)..

The player logs in the system and retrieves a list of all online and offline other players. Then he can pick one to attack, using his offensive against the enemy player's defensive programs. When someone attacks an offline player he will be facing a handicap to make things fair. So it will be tougher to win when the enemy is offline. Now, if all 5 defensive programs are successfully bypassed the attacker wins and gets experience points and rewards including the ability to upgrade his cards with higher leveled ones.

On the business side of it, I'll include some advertising through the game screens, and I'm also thinking of using affiliate marketing to promote it. However the actual game will be kept free and even though there will be a business opportunity included, it will be optional so that players choose to stay even if they only like to play the game.

That's most of it.. but I currently skipped coding it a little bit as I'm giving some exams these days and I'm pretty busy with that for now.. As soon as exams are over, I'll get back to coding..

However in the meantime I'm in need of a game database server..
I currently host and test it on db4free.net but that's not to be trusted so I'll need to purchase one.
I would have hosted it to my domain here, but it doesn't give database access regardless of IP..

The game is developed on C# so it's not web based which would have been easier to use but harder to code.. :)

Sounds fun, I admire your enthusiasm .. Let us know when your finished.

Still_Sleeping wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 4:50pm:

Yes, what profit i lose on ptc clicks due to referrals and upgraded clicks, I make up on the non-paying banner ads.. etc. The traffic and the member base has to get high enough before we even start receving advertiser (which comes with time and steady payments). I started the site Knowing that I would be losing money the whole first year. If I stay in profit thats great, but i'm prepared for the many months of pretty much all sponsored ads with no advertisers. Right now I'm in profit, if i don't count my buxhost subscription cost. (which will be extended to 5 years next week.)

I have a question for you. I assume you run ads for your site at other sites and you have also ran ads for other sites when you were an affiliate. Do you find you get better results with the ads run for your site than you do as an affiliate?

The reason I have this question is because I have been of the belief that many sites will skim off referrals from us in order to keep for themselves or sell or rent to others (yes, unfortunately, I am very paranoid but I have been in the industry many years and I have seen many strange patterns in referral sign ups over the years  :o). Have you noticed any difference in the numbers or referrals you get from others as opposed to yourself? This question is probably the number one reason why I am interested in starting a site of my own even though I do not have a lot of technical skill

Yes SS, that game does sound intriguing and also unique. It is a little bit like the game Risk except for hacking and cards. Maybe you could also add 'institutions' to the hacking target that could be a play against the computer. This would require many more assets and maybe groups as the computer would have lots of power but also many prizes.

Another idea would be the opportunity to hack certain regions in the game (fortresses or card tables) which would allow the players to change the parameters of the area they conquered

Its hard to say with my site being new, all other site's that i have advertised had large member bases by the time i would join. I've ran only 2 neobux ads for my site, 24 dollar's each (total $48), that gave me about 160 some referrals. When i would run the same price banners for ptcbox, I would get about 80 referrals total.

With a custom script, its possible for the a admin to scam in many ways. If there using a standard buxhost script (like mine), the only way for a admin to scam referrals from you is to set mask direct referrals usernames to active and switch them with inactive members in hopes that the user wouldn't remember a number impose to a actual name. But its also possible to just remove them before you log on. The standard buxhost script has no option to turn off referring.

My site only has one reason that it won't allow a member to join a upline: Thats when a known proxy server is detected, and the user is forced to join without a upline regardless of the referral link clicked on. (protection from cheaters)

I've have always wonder the same thing.. I can diffidently tell you there is still those time zone's where all sign-ups just seem to stop.   

I remember one time I ran a campaign. I had about 5 referrals within the first couple hours. Then it stopped for about 12 hours, Then I started receiving a referral every two hours or so(which is what I normally get for most of my campaigns on the bigger sites). I have seen some strange referring patterns when the owner has a potential benefit in the referrals. On sites where the referrals are free sign ups and it doesn't mean anything to the owner one way or the other(like a traffic exchange), the patterns are usually completely different and much more steady in the sign up rate

that is actually one way I test the integrity of a site is how well it refers and what the consistency is.

PTCBox was pretty consistent when it came to referrals rates. I'll give them that much

Edit: BTW, the worst sites are the ones where the owner checks the referrals and places them under your downline personally(usually sites with a paid membership only). I've gone from a referral rate of about 1 in 1000 to 1 in 50,000 when my paid upgrades started to roll in. Very frustrating

moneymarketing wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 12:43am:

When PTCBox died I finally took the plunge into Neobux. That was a big mistake. I was drawn into their rented referral program and golden upgrades. Since then I have been breaking even in it trying to push my RR's further down the time track. Fortunately I was able to recruit a hundred plus direct referrals so they are helping me to keep my RRs but I am definitely not pleased with the program. Their advertising is OK but since the demise of PTCBox it seems everyone wants to use NB for their advertising so they are becoming quite saturated. Another frustrating thing is that they limit the amount of direct referrals you can have. This has got to be the most counter intuitive thing I have ever seen. I could probably deliver 50 referrals per month to their site but I can't because they limit me unless I spend hundreds of dollars in upgrades  :-? We definitely need some more programs to open up that we can promote. CS and NB are pretty much the big two and it is hard to go with anything else at this point I did take a look at BuxP but it has a porn element to it so there is no promoting it at Clixsense. It does look like a decent advertising venue though since they have a huge member base The other site I have been exploring is Hits4pay. They deliver a decent amount of clicks per day and all of them so far have been 2 cent offers. I haven't tried to promote them yet, that is the next project

We've all been there.  I tried the renting referrals, upgrading to Golden.  That's back when the required daily ads were paying 1 cent instead of the 1/10-cent.   I dropped the referrals and let the Golden expire.  But, I still have to click daily to earn from my referrals. 

My regular non-ptp sites are ClixSense, Linkgrand, Wordlinx, Hits4Pay and DealsNCash.   I've been w/ Hits4Pay since 2004.

I load PTCBox every once in a while to check if the payment button's been reset.  But I'm not hopeful.  At this point, the WM would have to launch from scratch.   If he really invested what he claimed to start the site, he's not too bright.

moneymarketing wrote on 13^th Jan, 2013 at 12:43am:

When PTCBox died I finally took the plunge into Neobux. That was a big mistake. I was drawn into their rented referral program and golden upgrades. Since then I have been breaking even in it trying to push my RR's further down the time track. Fortunately I was able to recruit a hundred plus direct referrals so they are helping me to keep my RRs but I am definitely not pleased with the program. Their advertising is OK but since the demise of PTCBox it seems everyone wants to use NB for their advertising so they are becoming quite saturated. Another frustrating thing is that they limit the amount of direct referrals you can have. This has got to be the most counter intuitive thing I have ever seen. I could probably deliver 50 referrals per month to their site but I can't because they limit me unless I spend hundreds of dollars in upgrades  :-? We definitely need some more programs to open up that we can promote. CS and NB are pretty much the big two and it is hard to go with anything else at this point I did take a look at BuxP but it has a porn element to it so there is no promoting it at Clixsense. It does look like a decent advertising venue though since they have a huge member base The other site I have been exploring is Hits4pay. They deliver a decent amount of clicks per day and all of them so far have been 2 cent offers. I haven't tried to promote them yet, that is the next project

I read somewhere that the rented referrals at Neobux are bots.  If we really had solid referrals in the rental system, SOME of them would click their four daily.  But most aren't clicking in multiples of four.   Some click one or two, but most don't click.  I had 200 once, and let them go when the recycle cost wasn't keeping up with the income.

A couple of days after PTCBox died I faced the urge to reuse neobux.. but thankfully I didn't allow myself.
Any calculation I did with what they're offering led me to loss instead of profit. And I wasn't willing to invest a thousand to get ultimate and rent refs that are possibly bots..

As for direct referrals, limits don't count for me as I've been a member there since the beginning.. but still I consider it extremely expensive to get referrals for neobux nowadays so I looked away. Besides, I remembered that I've hated it for so long to suddenly like it again..  ;D

I used buxpal which fell into the same hole with PTCBox.. paypal limitation.
I joined ClixSense (i now wonder why I was never fond of it.. it would have been a great money maker if I had joined early)
but I had kind of a hard time to get referrals for it.

And then I found StillSleeping's ptc promising and decided to stick to that for now.
I've had a lot of support from him so far and feel good with the site.

SolidSnake wrote on 15^th Jan, 2013 at 1:19am:

A couple of days after PTCBox died I faced the urge to reuse neobux.. but thankfully I didn't allow myself. Any calculation I did with what they're offering led me to loss instead of profit. And I wasn't willing to invest a thousand to get ultimate and rent refs that are possibly bots.. As for direct referrals, limits don't count for me as I've been a member there since the beginning.. but still I consider it extremely expensive to get referrals for neobux nowadays so I looked away. Besides, I remembered that I've hated it for so long to suddenly like it again..  ;D I used buxpal which fell into the same hole with PTCBox.. paypal limitation. I joined ClixSense (i now wonder why I was never fond of it.. it would have been a great money maker if I had joined early) but I had kind of a hard time to get referrals for it. And then I found StillSleeping's ptc promising and decided to stick to that for now. I've had a lot of support from him so far and feel good with the site.

My direct maximum at Neobux is over 300, but I can't seem to keep them.  I'm advertising Neobux a few places.  I don't like it nearly as much as I used to before they changed the daily required clicks to 1/10-cent.  I don't think free members get referral earnings on those 1/10-cent clicks.  So unless they're lucky enough to spot a 1-cent ad, there's not much in referral earnings.  But no earnings unless you've clicked their ''orange ads'' the day before.  Member stats show the total number of referral clicks, but not total referral earnings.

Sadly for me, I wasn't able to profit from PTCbox (had a $150 balance in there that meant the difference between profit and loss).
After it went down, I just continued with my other PTC sites: Neobux, Clixsense, CashNhits and Clique.com.pt (portuguese site).
Without doubt Neobux is the one I'm earning more, but that's because I'm an ultimate there. I did think about trying to try out another site to replace PTCbox, but I ended up staying like I was. Better focus on the good sites than trying to branch out uncertainly.

Any idea why people are still promoting PTCBox?   I just clicked on an ad at Wordlinx.  I hate seeing people spend more money advertising.

My balance in PTCbox keeps on increasing, which means people are clicking. Haven't been keeping check on the referral count (2nd level) but I think I gained some, too.

ruicarlov wrote on 28^th Jan, 2013 at 7:47pm:

My balance in PTCbox keeps on increasing, which means people are clicking. Haven't been keeping check on the referral count (2nd level) but I think I gained some, too.

My balance is still increasing too, but not as fast as when the site paid.  I'm withdrawing my advertising.  Mostly banner impressions these days.

mgbland79705 wrote on 28^th Jan, 2013 at 7:35pm:

Any idea why people are still promoting PTCBox?   I just clicked on an ad at Wordlinx.  I hate seeing people spend more money advertising.

Why are sites approving the ads? That seems a little dishonest. If it were a ponzi scheme they wouldn't approve the ad. PTCB is not much different. It is at least a non-payer  :(

Well first of all any promotion of PTCBox now is a total waste as admin has disabled sign-ups.
Whoever reaches the signup page will see this message : "We do not accept new members at this time."
So now, it's not possible that your downline continues to grow too. Any new additions have been made since before then.

Secondly, my balance keeps on increasing too but it's also no point as there is absolutely no way to redeem it.
Both payment and advertising options have been removed or disabled. Just to help my direct downline, I've sent a mass message through the internal messager stating that PTCBox is almost closed, so they shouldn't have to continue working on it.

Other sites don't deal much with what PTCBox is.. it looks like a PTC so they won't really search what it is, just approve the ad.
It is the members who should be doing some research on what they invest into..
They should have been reading the announcements, if not the forum or even Google..
It is an unsafe industry to work on so we need to be doing a lot of research before working on such programs..

Meanwhile my upgrade at PtcBox has ended. My upgrade status shows 'Expired' and I get 0.5 cent per click, but still I'm able to access the Messenger, Chat and Tracker.

My upgrade (lifetime) is still giving me 10-cent links.  But it's just play money now. 

I've started a blog at CashNHits, and am weighing whether to put PTCBox, MatrixMails and FusionMails in the scam section.    Until they start paying, that's how I think of them.

mgbland79705 wrote on 18^th Feb, 2013 at 6:40pm:

My upgrade (lifetime) is still giving me 10-cent links.  But it's just play money now.  I've started a blog at CashNHits, and am weighing whether to put PTCBox, MatrixMails and FusionMails in the scam section.    Until they start paying, that's how I think of them.

Put them in the dead sites.. section..  [smiley=z03-lol.gif]
Scam has another meaning.. (when a suspect dies you can never figure out if he was guilty or not..)

Is FusionMails connected to any of the other two? (I've never worked with that at all..)

FusionMails (PTP) along with Raremails (Affiliate Pages) were strong sites before their server crash.   You'd request payout, and KNOW you'd get the money.  They hadn't backed up their sites, so they had to return to a old backup.   Raremails never came back, so all the members with affiliate pages lost out.  They kept saying they'd do something about the affiiate page owners, but years later, still nothing.   Now, no payments for months.  PTP sites are starting to ban them.

SolidSnake wrote on 18^th Feb, 2013 at 8:01pm:

Put them in the dead sites.. section..  [smiley=z03-lol.gif] Scam has another meaning.. (when a suspect dies you can never figure out if he was guilty or not..) Is FusionMails connected to any of the other two? (I've never worked with that at all..)

I put them in the news section of my blog.  (No dead sites on the blog at CashnHits.  Called them hybernating due to no payments.

No, FusionMails isn't associated with the other two.  Anyyan is the WM.  Just a site that's no where near as good as it used to be.

mgbland79705 wrote on 19^th Feb, 2013 at 1:46am:

They hadn't backed up their sites,

HA! HA! That is a funny one. A web business that doesn't back up their site? Yeah right. That is what you learn in internet boot camp and has to be one of the oldest excuses in the book for cutting and running.

That is as bad as a bricks and mortar business that is facing bankruptcy blaming arson when the place burns to the ground for the insurance money  [smiley=lolx.gif]

Yeah, that's more funny when a webmaster who is running a site since 2003 says it. No one would have expected it from Anyyan.

venkat wrote on 20^th Feb, 2013 at 5:48am:

Yeah, that's more funny when a webmaster who is running a site since 2003 says it. No one would have expected it from Anyyan.

I think he expected his host to back up.  He ended up restoring from year-old files.  Here's the thread explaining it. http://www.globalfriendsonline.com/index.php/topic,9617.0.html

Just the domain 'ptcbox.com' and the html files exist now. Seems the DB has been pulled off.

The header images and other stats are gone. :-[

[quote author=2A3932373D285C0 link=1357891737/34#34 date=1361946510]Just the domain 'ptcbox.com' and the html files exist now. Seems the DB has been pulled off.

The header images and other stats are gone. :-[/quote]

I guess "Titanic" is now about to sink instead of floating..  :-/
And it still doesn't make any sense... check here.

SolidSnake wrote on 27^th Feb, 2013 at 9:47am:

I guess "Titanic" is now about to sink instead of floating..  :-/ And it still doesn't make any sense... check here.

Not good.  At the top, it reads.

This site has 0 members -- We Have Paid Our Members a Total of: $0.00 [?]

mgbland79705 wrote on 27^th Feb, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Not good.  At the top, it reads. This site has 0 members -- We Have Paid Our Members a Total of: $0.00 [?]

That's what venkat meant three posts above.. in a more techie way.. though..  [smiley=z03-lol.gif]

Now there is a page value listing up there:

ptcbox.com is worth $ 1,648,080.00

[smiley=lolx.gif]

I hope he isn't planning to sell it and scam the web for a little more money. If that is the case then he has got to be stopped. I hope someone can do that. Maybe if he tries to sell it then former members can get his personal details and go after him.

Depending on who is handling the sale, we might be able to get the funds frozen (kind of like what he did to our funds  >:( )

Most ironic info on the page:

     
Tired of scam sites? Looking for a trusted Paid to Click site which will last?

You have come to the right place! We have 10 years of experience in the industry and we have never failed to pay our members! We guarantee you a stable PTC site with on time payments!


[smiley=lolx.gif]

Can one login?

dansbanners wrote on 28^th Feb, 2013 at 7:42pm:

Can one login?

There's nothing left.. no buttons and no data.. the site is almost gone..

SolidSnake wrote on 28^th Feb, 2013 at 8:07pm:

There's nothing left.. no buttons and no data.. the site is almost gone..

Payments made link goes to an empty list, and the ptc membership loads a blank page.    >:(   Our data's been purged.  I hope he's backed up.

Another interesting fact.  While they've removed the database, they're still hosting the PTCBox banners.  We're fast approaching the 6-month Paypal deadline.  Not that I really expect them to do the right thing . . .

mgbland79705 wrote on 11^th Mar, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Another interesting fact.  While they've removed the database, they're still hosting the PTCBox banners.  We're fast approaching the 6-month Paypal deadline.  Not that I really expect them to do the right thing . . .

When is it anyway? The 6 month paypal deadline?

Thanks!

mgbland79705 wrote on 11^th Mar, 2013 at 8:28pm:

Another interesting fact.  While they've removed the database, they're still hosting the PTCBox banners.  We're fast approaching the 6-month Paypal deadline.  Not that I really expect them to do the right thing . . .

Did you see any promotion recently?

I saw one promotion, but the banner wasn't the standard one.

dansbanners wrote on 11^th Mar, 2013 at 11:05pm:

When is it anyway? The 6 month paypal deadline? Thanks!

Counting from 1st of October where the limit happened, 6 months will be over by the end of March..
Don't really feel it would change much though..

PTCBox would have to do a lot to earn back trust.  Many people won't invest any more money at PTCBox until they get back what is owed to them.  Pulling the forum and removing the database was a bad move.

mgbland79705 wrote on 12^th Mar, 2013 at 6:58pm:

PTCBox would have to do a lot to earn back trust.

Isn't that obvious that it's not coming back anymore?
The day they removed the GPR forum I just stopped believing..
If there was a chance they would come back they would at least have left the forum as it was.
I'm not expecting any other change now other than the complete removal of the PTCBox files from the server.

Sad but true. I deleted my account when GPR disappeared.

While I was hoping I was wrong, I figured the site was gone when the WM disappeared 45 days after his Paypal Limited Announcement.  To be totally honest, I suspected he'd pull a runner right after he posted the message about turning into a ghost site.  I've seen a lot of WMS get limited, over the years, but the honest ones are back with a new payment processor within days.
SolidSnake wrote on 13^th Mar, 2013 at 1:19am:

Isn't that obvious that it's not coming back anymore? The day they removed the GPR forum I just stopped believing.. If there was a chance they would come back they would at least have left the forum as it was. I'm not expecting any other change now other than the complete removal of the PTCBox files from the server.